Then the statement should have been more honest...

On Sep 29, 2012 9:41 PM, "Thomas Dalton" <thomas.dalton@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it is fairly obvious that this was a WMF decision.

On Sep 29, 2012 9:33 PM, "James Farrar" <james.farrar@gmail.com> wrote:

Whoever decided that UK donations to the fundraiser wouldn't be Gift Aid eligible. According to the statement, that's both WMF and WMUK.

On Sep 29, 2012 8:59 PM, "WereSpielChequers" <werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:

James, if you are accusing a charity of throwing away money could you be specific as to which charity you are accusing of throwing away money?

I'm not aware of any of WMUK's financial decisions being disputed.

By contrast the WMF by processing the payments for this years fundraiser will lose the movement as a whole hundreds of thousands of pounds.  This is partly because they are not a UK registered charity and WMUK is, so Gift Aid of probably more than £100,000 won't be achieved, but I suspect that even more will be lost because as a US organisation they can't collect by direct debits. Over the next few decades that will lose the movement several times as much as the foregone Gift Aid money.

However the WMF doesn't have a formal membership structure, or at least not one I'm aware of. So were you suggesting that WMUK has been throwing away money?

WSC

On 29 September 2012 13:20, James Farrar <james.farrar@gmail.com> wrote:

Indeed, and for now I remain a member.

This is subject to finding out precisely why the charity is voluntarily throwing away money.

On Sep 28, 2012 11:11 PM, "Deryck Chan" <deryckchan@gmail.com> wrote:

There is, an will always be, the option to donate to WMUK rather than WMF even if WMUK isn't the default payment processor anymore.

What I can certainly see is a fragmented 2012 fundraiser, with certain donors staying with WMUK and others switching to WMF because that's where the default landing page now points them to. Lots of returning donors will be very very confused either because they can't gift-aid their donations, or because two "Wikipedia organisations" are asking for their money at the same time.

On 28 September 2012 22:50, James Farrar <james.farrar@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, there goes my donation.

On Sep 28, 2012 9:16 PM, "David Gerard" <dgerard@gmail.com> wrote:

On 28 September 2012 21:14, Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd like to draw to your attention this joint statement with the Foundation
> which I have just, with the authority of the Board, posted on our blog
> regarding the management of conflicts of interests and this year's
> fundraiser.
> http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/09/joint-statement-from-wikimedia-foundation-and-wikimedia-uk/


Right, so money->SF and so much for Gift Aid?


- d.

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