Richard: a slight correction, the processes for obtaining OTRS access have changed - I think in 2009/2010.Instead of the full 'identification' to the WMF (where you send in a copy of your ID to prove you're >18), OTRS access only requires you to send an email with your full real name and age (OTRS access can be given to people >16) to the OTRS admins.If people aren't required to send their full identification documents perhaps that could reduce that stumbling block slightly?ThehelpfuloneFor what it's worth, my opinion (as some who has had access to a fair few OTRS queues for a fair number of years) is that we need more OTRS volunteers. Lots more. At the moment, Wikimedia UK has about a dozen semi-active volunteers for its queue, and we have reasonable response times (48 hours ish). I'm not sure how many the WMF has for the global queues, but to answer every email within, say, 48 hours, would require (in my opinion) at least several hundred volunteers, with several dozen being active daily.Wikimedia UK did run an OTRS workshop, which was useful, but it turned into more of an OTRS planning weekend, with only a few new people trained to use OTRS. It's a very slow way of training people - it's not just the OTRS software, but customer service skills which are needed. Most Wikipedians can't reliably answer emails from OTRS because they don't have the needed levels of WIkipedia experience, OTRS system experience, and customer service experience. There's the added (necessary) stumbling block of identifying to the WMF.<radicalthinking>Perhaps OTRS access to the English Wikipedia courtesy queue could be given to English Wikipedia admins who are willing to identify to the WMF? That would free up the experienced OTRS agents to handle the more important 'quality' queue. </radicalthinking>
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On 14 November 2012 12:53, Charles Matthews <charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote:The trouble is ... we have no power over Google, do we? It is aOn 14 November 2012 12:42, Andreas Kolbe <jayen466@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Charles Matthews
> <charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 14 November 2012 00:00, Andreas Kolbe <jayen466@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > And there is. Oliver's revamp of the Contact Us pages has made a huge
>> > difference, because previously, PR professionals would pass three
>> > invitations to fix the article themselves before they would come to the
>> > OTRS
>> > e-mail address.
>> >
>> > But there is still room for improvement. OTRS e-mails should be
>> > responded to
>> > the same day, not up to four weeks later. Is anyone collecting data on
>> > how
>> > quickly OTRS mails are responded to? Are those data public? If not,
>> > there is
>> > another potential area for improvement.
>>
>> What WSQ said.
>>
>> Also, rethinking the "contact us" route is one thing, encouraging more
>> people to use it early is another. The first may well be helpful, the
>> second in current circumstances is not going to improve things. Some
>> of your questions here are clearly for the WMF.
>>
>> Charles
>
>
>
> For better or worse, Wikipedia is the number one Google link for pretty much
> everything and everyone. With that comes a responsibility to get things
> right; a responsibility we cannot live up to, given the open editing system
> we've got, and the number of articles and editors we've got.
familiar argument that you are putting.
The actual solutions are (1) to grow the community (and I mean
growing it with responsible, well-trained editors). I personally have
put time and effort into this in the past, as well as editing many
hours a day. And (2) to make it easier for the community to do useful
work.
Now the WMF is well resourced, we should really be discussing these
matters. The traditional spiralling blame game set off by "case
studies" is not the best way, IMX.
Charles
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