On 13 Apr 2014 15:52, "Fæ" <faewik@gmail.com> wrote:

Sure Harry, however I think it obvious that my email was not intended
to be rude. Considering how rarely we see moderators of this list
officially using their authority to criticise users, in fact I do not
recall this happening in 2013 or 2014 until now, I find this
incredibly odd. It seems reasonable to connect this sudden assumption
of bad faith, to my recent posts to Wikimedia-l which raised the issue
of the UK Chapter sending more people to the Wikimedia Conference this
weekend than any other Chapter, including the hosts, with the
inevitable response of being called a troll by one of the current
trustees.

The trend for the Chapter has been to stifle debate, as we have seen
with how the Village Pump on the chapter wiki being reduced to
announcements by employees and "positive statements" rather than open
discussion of issues and problems. If this has started to extend to
censorship of this list for vague perceptions of "tone" by Chapter
employees, then I'm afraid that volunteers will end up writing
anonymously on Wikipediocracy if they want to change anything or be
heard.

This list has always been presented as not managed by the Chapter. If
the Chapter is now effectively controlling it, then I think it loses
much of its value as a community sounding board.

Fae

On 13 April 2014 14:34, HJ Mitchell <hjmitchell@ymail.com> wrote:
> Fae,
>
> I've seen worse emails to this list, but I can see Richard's point, which is
> that you could have written something to the effect of "Jon, would you mind
> including all the relevant information in your emails to the list", for
> example, which has the same meaning but does not come across as
> unnecessarily hostile. He wasn't asking you not to criticise, or not to
> point out Jon's omission (if he was, I'd be jumping to your aid instead of
> Richard's), just to tone it down one notch for the benefit of everyone else
> subscribed to this list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Harry Mitchell
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> On Sunday, 13 April 2014, 10:04, Fæ <faewik@gmail.com> wrote:
> No, I don't get it.
>
> Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is unacceptably
> rude?
> "If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you
> include the relevant content."
>
> Fae
>
> On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds
> <richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a
>> second
>> there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email came
>> across
>> as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across.
>>
>> The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the general
>> editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile. That
>> has
>> to change if this list is to stay relevant and at the heart of the chapter
>> and the UK movement. I accept that sometimes in real life hostility might
>> be
>> necessary in order to accomplish a goal, but I don't think that such a
>> rule
>> holds true on an internet mailing list.
>>
>> A reminder to us all (myself included) to put an extra bit of effort into
>> being polite on the Internet. I don't want to stifle debate, and there's
>> no
>> problem with bad language if it's used to emphasise a point, but we can at
>> least keep a friendly face on most emails.
>>
>> Complaints or comments should be addressed to the list moderators at
>> wikimediauk-l-owner@lists.wikimedia.org
>>
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