David; I think Charles and Andreas have gotten beyond the original issue and are talking about the real problems that exist.

"cumbersome" doesn't strike me as a hugely unfair way of putting it... 

@Richard; I've always been disappointed in WMF support of OTRS, it being a key point of contact. I burned out of OTRS recently (just taking a break till more time comes available) when we cleared out the whole queue (I handled something like 300 tickets in a month) but I see it is already back at massive-scale...

Apparently we will finally be getting a software upgrade "soon", but even that is not entirely fit for purpose.

Overall these are not easy problems to fix; I think we desperately need to implement pending changes, and the WMF should enforce this system. There are technical/community drawbacks to that technology but we need to consider the moral obligations to our subjects first.

Tom


On 14 November 2012 13:08, David Gerard <dgerard@gmail.com> wrote:
On 14 November 2012 13:06, Charles Matthews
<charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Let's get back down to earth. "Cumbersome" in the title of the thread
> implies we are dealing with people who are not the type to read
> instructions patiently, and follow them. These people may be "normal"
> by many standards.


And specifically, "cumbersome" is the PRCA making excuses for a member
having been busted whitewashing Wikipedia. The entire premise of the
supposed problem is fraudulent.


- d.

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