Tom, Roger has clearly stated already in this thread:

"The project does not involve me in being paid to create articles. I am creating plaques based on QRpedia, I am supplying training and I am encouraging people to use and edit wikipedia (and open street map et al)."

You really can't tell him that "Gibraltar are paying you to help get lots of good articles about their country on Wikipedia" when he's already told you that's not the case. I hope you can see that it is not Roger's paid job to edit articles about Gibraltar, and you ought to be prepared to accept that Roger knows more about what Gibraltar is paying him for than the uniformed peanut gallery.

Those who know Roger know that his background is in teaching and training. Why is it so difficult for the small but vocal minority to understand that those skills are what he will be selling, not paid editing or advocacy? - surely it is only those who must wilfully leap to the worst possible conclusions because their agenda prevents them from accepting the truth.


On 19 September 2012 23:39, Thomas Dalton <> wrote:

Roger, you're not getting it. Gibraltar are paying you to help get lots of good articles about their country on Wikipedia. When you edit articles about Gibraltar, as you have been doing, then regardless of what time it is when you do it or your motivations for doing it, you are doing your paid job.

Whether something falls under your paid work or not depends primarily on what it is you are doing, not the circumstances of your doing it.

On Sep 19, 2012 11:32 PM, "Roger Bamkin" <> wrote:
Tom, I'm not criticising you. I very often edit wikipedia to de-stress or whilst trying to resolve more difficult problems. The problem of demarcation can be a tricky one as to which task you are doing if you resolve one problem whilst doing another. If its a pure 9 to 5 job then it can be simpler, but many of us are finding a working day somewhere outside the hours of sleep.


On 19 September 2012 21:11, Thomas Dalton <> wrote:
On 19 September 2012 20:46, Roger Bamkin <> wrote:
> Hi Tom, being busy means I don't have time to answer every email
> immediately. As you can see I try and get there eventually.
> Actually I think you'll find that questions can be both rhetorical and
> facetious. However if I am creating or editting Wikipedia articles then you
> can be sure that I am not being paid and its in my own time.

 I often do work for my employer outside of regular office hours. It
is (in theory!) my own time and I don't get paid any extra for it.
That doesn't mean I'm not working for my employer when I'm doing that
work. Demarcation between paid and voluntary work isn't as simple as
the clock striking 5pm.

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