Hi all,

Things are indeed looking pretty good for the London Wikimania bid. We've been preparing some stuff that we'll put online come the board meeting this weekend, so please hang onto your hats until then!

Ed


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 13:24:03 +0000
From: Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@gmail.com>
To: wikimediauk-l <wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania 2014
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The deadline for people the create bids for Wikimania 2014 has now
passed. London is the only official bid on the bidding page, although
there is an unofficial bid from Tanzania that is active so will
probably more up the page soon. So far, the Tanzanian bid doesn't look
particularly credible (although that may change as they improve their
bid page), so it seems London is in with an excellent chance. In that
light, can we get an update from the bid team?

In particular, the logistics page says a fundraising website would
launch in January and there would be a event for sponsors in February.
Can we get an update on those?

Thanks!



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 13:48:00 +0000
From: John Byrne <john@bodkinprints.co.uk>
To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] John Byrne stands down as Treasurer and
        Trustee of, Wikimedia UK
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First, many thanks to all who have sent kind messages after my
resignation, here, on the blog & elsewhere. They are much appreciated.
On the board issues, I agree with Tango, especially as the Compass
review will be out shortly, which (sneak preview) has things to say
about the composition of the board, which will probably influence the
next election.  Saad of course is "semi-elected" as he is the runner-up
in the last election with the highest votes who still wants to be on the
board.

John/Johnbod


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> On Feb 4, 2013 5:14 PM, "HJ Mitchell" <hjmitchell@ymail.com> wrote:
>> Thinking constitutionally for a moment, this leaves us with a relatively
> small board, no treasurer, and quite a high proportion of co-opted trustees
> (a ratio which will increase if a replacement for John is co-opted).
> Obviously the AGM is only four months away, which will soon be upon us, and
> it might not be a situation that can be helped, but it doesn't seem to me
> (as a lay member) to be desirable.
>
> If the two vacant seats are filled by co-option, that still leaves a
> majority of the board elected, so I don't think the democratic legitimacy
> of the board is too badly hurt. If we weren't so close to the agm, there
> might be an argument for an egm rather than use co-option, but I think we
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 00:58:01 +0000
From: Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Governance review
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It doesn't take two working days to prepare a short response saying that
the charity is now reviewing the report. In fact, that could have been
prepared in advance, since it is the same regardless of the contents. It is
extremely premature to be commenting on the contents to the press before
we've had any discussion about it.

Publish the report now. You've had plenty of time. You're supposed to be
running an organisation that prides itself on being transparent.
On Jan 31, 2013 11:15 AM, "Chris Keating" <chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> > 31 January 2013 (target), 15 February 2013 (deadline) - Final report
>> > - this is expected by the end of this week and will be published
>> promptly
>> > (not necessarily immediately) when we get it.
>>
>> Why won't you publish it immeadiately?
>>
>>
> So that we have a chance to prepare responses for any media inquiries that
> might result from it. As I say, we will be prompt about it, and I also want
> to make sure there is a chance for the community to review the findings
> before our board meeting on the 9th. Someone from Compass Partnership will
> be attending that meeting, so if there are any questions or clarifications
> from the community, we can ask them then.
>
> Hope this make sense,
>
> Chris
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 09:15:31 +0000
From: Jon Davies <jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk>
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Tom, It might be sensible to check with us directly before posting. We *have
* been preparing but need to get a lot of consensus even for a 'short
response'.  I think your email was unfair to Chris and a little rude.
Please assume good faith.

Phone me if you want more background.

Jon

On 6 February 2013 00:58, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@gmail.com> wrote:

> It doesn't take two working days to prepare a short response saying that
> the charity is now reviewing the report. In fact, that could have been
> prepared in advance, since it is the same regardless of the contents. It is
> extremely premature to be commenting on the contents to the press before
> we've had any discussion about it.
>
> Publish the report now. You've had plenty of time. You're supposed to be
> running an organisation that prides itself on being transparent.
> On Jan 31, 2013 11:15 AM, "Chris Keating" <chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> > 31 January 2013 (target), 15 February 2013 (deadline) - Final report
>>> > - this is expected by the end of this week and will be published
>>> promptly
>>> > (not necessarily immediately) when we get it.
>>>
>>> Why won't you publish it immeadiately?
>>>
>>>
>> So that we have a chance to prepare responses for any media inquiries
>> that might result from it. As I say, we will be prompt about it, and I also
>> want to make sure there is a chance for the community to review the
>> findings before our board meeting on the 9th. Someone from Compass
>> Partnership will be attending that meeting, so if there are any questions
>> or clarifications from the community, we can ask them then.
>>
>> Hope this make sense,
>>
>> Chris
>>
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 09:30:17 +0000
From: Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@gmail.com>
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I don't want background. I want you to publish the report now. You don't
need any more response than "we're looking at it and are beginning
discussions with the community, we'll have a fuller response in a few
weeks". You could have written that months ago.

Last time you used the "we need to prepare a response" excuse to delay
publishing something you ended up publishing it without any response anyway
and nothing bad happened, so your good faith is very much in doubt.
On Feb 6, 2013 9:16 AM, "Jon Davies" <jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> Tom, It might be sensible to check with us directly before posting. We *
> have* been preparing but need to get a lot of consensus even for a 'short
> response'.  I think your email was unfair to Chris and a little rude.
> Please assume good faith.
>
> Phone me if you want more background.
>
> Jon
>
> On 6 February 2013 00:58, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It doesn't take two working days to prepare a short response saying that
>> the charity is now reviewing the report. In fact, that could have been
>> prepared in advance, since it is the same regardless of the contents. It is
>> extremely premature to be commenting on the contents to the press before
>> we've had any discussion about it.
>>
>> Publish the report now. You've had plenty of time. You're supposed to be
>> running an organisation that prides itself on being transparent.
>> On Jan 31, 2013 11:15 AM, "Chris Keating" <chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > 31 January 2013 (target), 15 February 2013 (deadline) - Final report
>>>> > - this is expected by the end of this week and will be published
>>>> promptly
>>>> > (not necessarily immediately) when we get it.
>>>>
>>>> Why won't you publish it immeadiately?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> So that we have a chance to prepare responses for any media inquiries
>>> that might result from it. As I say, we will be prompt about it, and I also
>>> want to make sure there is a chance for the community to review the
>>> findings before our board meeting on the 9th. Someone from Compass
>>> Partnership will be attending that meeting, so if there are any questions
>>> or clarifications from the community, we can ask them then.
>>>
>>> Hope this make sense,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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