I don't think anybody is suggesting you link somebody's real-life identity to their Wikimedia username against their wishes (unless there's context that I've missed). I'm suggesting you should publish whatever information the recipient is comfortable with, unless they're not comfortable with anything being published.

I can also understand why some people might not want their presence at a particular event to be known in advance (for example if they're worried about harassment), but that information could easily be published after the event if the recipient were comfortable with that.

We should be transparent whenever there is no good reason to be opaque - it will inspire confidence in WMUK, it's one less stick with which we can be beaten, and it's the best (perhaps only) way to prove that the process is not corrupt or nepotistic.

Harry Mitchell

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Skype: harry_j_mitchell

On Monday, 31 March 2014, 13:48, Jon Davies <jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

1 Many Wikimedians want to keep their userid and real name separate - even when attending events.

2 The way to encourage applicants to be open about this is not to then criticise those who get scholarships. Instead make sure we have the right people on a scholarship committee.

There are many checks and balances and sometimes needs to protect individuals. That is an important factor in getting the appropriate level of transparency.

On 31 March 2014 13:28, Michael Maggs <Michael@maggs.name> wrote:

Fae, this is a standard defence that you run often.

Let me say that you do not do yourself any favours when you make a statement accusing the chapter of some outrageous or corrupt act, and then deny responsibility for the intent of your posting by pointing out that you had phrased it in the conditional. Carefully drafting an allegation in the conditional is not a get out of jail free card that allows you to disclaim all responsibility for the meaning you intended to convey in the first place.

Michael

On 31 Mar 2014, at 13:15, Fć <faewik@gmail.com> wrote:

> "would be" - i.e. hypothetical scenario.
>
> Not everything I write needs to be read as an accusation of a crime, no.
>
> Fae
>
> On 31 March 2014 13:13, HJ Mitchell <hjmitchell@ymail.com> wrote:
>> Fae,
>>
>> I'll assume you didn't mean that to sound like an allegation of corruption,
>> but regardless, it's not really helpful. The idea of a discussion is that
>> you let the other person answer before making a point that's already been
>> made.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Harry Mitchell
>> http://enwp.org/User:HJ
>> Phone: 024 7698 0977
>> Skype: harry_j_mitchell
>> On Monday, 31 March 2014, 13:09, Fć <faewik@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Secret scholarships. How bizarre, this is the opposite of transparency
>> and would be an especially difficult thing to justify if it later came
>> out that relatives, friends, people with no previous connection to
>> Wikimedia projects were getting large sums of money with no public
>> declarations.
>>
>> Fae
>>
>> On 31 March 2014 12:38, Michael Peel <michael.peel@manchester.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> Erm, no, it is standard (good) practice!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On 31 Mar 2014, at 12:28, Jon Davies <jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> It is not standard practice for a list of attendees to Wikimedia
>>> conferences
>>> to be published. It is up to the individuals in question whether they want
>>> it be known publicly that they are attending or have attended a particular
>>> Wikimedia conference. That any particular individual attendance are funded
>>> by Wikimedia UK or for that matter the Wikimedia Foundation rather than
>>> privately does not affect that.
>>>
>>> Like other Wikimedia conferences, there is an unofficial list on the
>>> conference pages where participates are able to publicly indicate their
>>> planned attendance. In addition, all scholarship recipients agrees to
>>> produce a public report afterwards summarising the key things they have
>>> taken from the event.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27 March 2014 14:58, Fć <faewik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 27 March 2014 14:50, Katie Chan <katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>> There were two valid applications, which we are both funding.
>>>>
>>>> Where is the list going to be published?
>>>>
>>>> Fae
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