Training led and run by volunteers has very little to do with the
objections to the plan, which is about allocation of Chapter resources,
focus, and staff time. I don't see why we're running these two objections
On Friday, 28 September 2012, Thomas Dalton wrote:
I'll say again, the issue here is the plan in
aggregate. Specific examples
aren't really important - there is plenty of room for reasonable people to
come to different conclusions on a specific budget item. What we should be
able to agree on though, is that this plan, when considered as a whole, is
On Sep 28, 2012 10:44 PM, "Andrew Gray" <andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk>
> On 28 September 2012 18:40, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com>
> > Training is something the chapter is already involved in and should
> > therefore ensure is done well, since it reflects on the chapter. Having
> > individuals contacting potential trainees directly appears
> > and leads to an inefficient and inconsistent response.
> I don't think it's producing bad results, but perhaps I'm biased.
> I've been spending the past six months doing *exactly this*; contacting
> organisations directly, usually through personal contacts, arranging
> training, and (with the invaluable help of volunteers) delivering it. I
> have kept the chapter informed, but the sessions are pretty much
> independent of the ongoing WMUK training events, though they provide
> support (laptops, printed sheets, etc). I do not believe the chapter are in
> any way unhappy with this arrangement; they've had plenty of opportunity to
> say if they are!
> It's certainly more efficient than asking the chapter to do it - you
> yourself have argued on this very mailing list that they are overworked,
> and trying to do too much. To demand it be centralised is to give them yet
> more work to do, on top of the existing load. It also introduces extra
> inefficiencies - they won't be going through the same direct connections,
> which makes the offer of a workshop less likely to be accepted, and it's
> much easier to arrange a session when the person delivering it is also the
> person negotiating it.
> Yes, random people emailing random contacts offering training is bad. But
> if we trust the person to deliver the training professionally, and we are
> willing to send them out there to represent the community in doing so, I
> can't imagine any reason we wouldn't trust them to reach out and organise
> the sessions as well.
> - Andrew Gray
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