Hi James (and others)

What I find puzzling in your reasoning is that you automatically assume bad faith on the part of the WMF. At this point everyone should be concerned about the fact that over the past months we have had several (highly) irregular activities within the UK chapter. It is important that we (as in the movement) conduct a thorough review to see what the complete facts are so that we can make sure that we can learn from this and draw proper conclusions.

In the meantime the fact that the UK will not payment process will allow them to focus on getting things in order. Please recall that payment processing has nothing to do with actual funds, the UK chapter will still apply to the FDC for funds (I am assuming)

Please don't make the foundation be the bad guy in this, this is not about a power grab, this is about finding out what really happened in a potentially very serious situation rather than simply moving on.

Jan-Bart de Vreede
Vice Chair
Board of Trustees 
Wikimedia Foundation


On 29 sep. 2012, at 17:06, James Farrar <james.farrar@gmail.com> wrote:

As best as I can tell, the WMF doesn't trust any chapter to raise funds, feeling threatened by any slight sign of independence that a chapter might exhibit.

This is a naked power-grab by the WMF as they have taken the  opportunity to do what they've been wanting to do for months.

And I am confident that fundraising won't be coming back. Bureaucracies don't surrender power - ever.

On Sep 29, 2012 3:07 PM, "HJ Mitchell" <hjmitchell@ymail.com> wrote:
The WMF don't trust WMUK to raise funds. 

Perhaps too succinct? ;)

(this email is not intended to express my opinion on the issue, because I've yet to form one)
 
Harry Mitchell
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From: Doug Weller <dougweller@gmail.com>
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list <wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Saturday, 29 September 2012, 14:59
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Joint statement with the Foundation

Can someone here please explain this issue succinctly?
Thanks.
Doug

On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sep 29, 2012 1:40 PM, "Neil Harris" <neil@tonal.clara.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> On 29/09/12 13:20, James Farrar wrote:
>>>
>>> Indeed, and for now I remain a member.
>>>
>>> This is subject to finding out precisely why the charity is voluntarily
>>> throwing away money.
>>> On Sep 28, 2012 11:11 PM, "Deryck Chan" <deryckchan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Doesn't Gift Aid depend on the recipient, not the payment processor?
>>
>> If so, I would have thought that donating to WMUK, even with WMF acting as
>> the payment processor, would presumably be entitled to Gift Aid.
>
> Don't be fooled by the WMF's political choices of language. We're not
> talking about payment processing, we're talking about who is actually
> fundraising.
>
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