I realise that this is a very interesting debate but do try and remember that these facts that are being discovered are public knowledge. The project was announced at Wikimania, no less, with a video that set out the projects plans and expectations. The video made it clear that the minister for tourism was involved and that this was not a WMUK project.
The project does not involve me in being paid to create articles. I am creating plaques based on QRpedia, I am supplying training and I am encouraging people to use and edit wikipedia (and open street map et al).
Those who voted for me and/or attended the last wiki AGM/conference are aware that I was (and am) offering my expertise as a consutant. These are the same skills as I was paid for at the end of the Monmouthpedia project. All of this was overseen by the board. The COI conflict meant that I gladly stepped down as Chair but I was asked to stay on as a board member. The board agreed to manage the COI conflict, which I am obviously pleased to comply with.
--On 19 September 2012 07:59, Doug Weller <email@example.com> wrote:
I see a request to block Roger's User:Victuallers account as it is in
contravention of our Username policy on promotional names -
Normally for an account this old (2007) we might not ask for a change
of name, but given the circumstances I think a name change might be a
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Andreas Kolbe <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> I've located some more information about Geovation now by myself:
> Wales Coast Path only: What theme of the challenge does your idea address?:
> 3. Community engagement What problem are you trying to solve? : Green
> tourism: what's around me? What makes it different?
> How will your idea work? : There are two parts, fist we meet local groups
> and show them how to add information onto a Wikipedia page: and that's
> really simple! Secondly we show them how their articles can be geotagged.
> The best part is enjoying a walk down the path with a smart phone, with any
> AR tagged articles shown through the camera, informing the User (tourist or
> local) about what's around them: history of that unusual building or where's
> the nearest Young Farmers Club? What's the name of that mountain, and
> where's the nearest toilet! Take a look at MonmouthpediA on Wikipedia and
> multiply it by 10!
> How will it provide a solution to the Challenge? : It's the best answer
> possible! The local WI (or Merched y Wawr) will bring along old photographs,
> which would be scanned in and uploaded, and their locations geotagged. They
> would learn new skills on how to edit existing articles and how to create
> new ones. The local chapel could write about the history of their chapel,
> and so could the local cafe - including the opening times! Schools could
> show off their latest Brochure for Parents and even nature clubs could write
> about the local habitats. This is about: bringing people together in order
> to inform walkers, cyclists and joggers what's around them.
> What is the stage of development? What help and investment you need to build
> it?: Because Wikipedia is so simple, it's ideal for this project.
> Communities know about the geography and history, and culture of their area
> MUCH better than an app writer or web-author sitting in his office in
> Manchester! Wikimedia UK would be asked to run the scheme, employing
> Wikipedians, just as the National Library does in London... and the National
> Museum etc. Their help would be crucial. Welsh Wicipedians have also shown
> their enthusiasm and would filter out any unwanted vandalism. Wikipedia has
> a proven track record: why re-create the wheel all the time? It's an app
> which is already installed on most iPads and iPhones! Pure and simple.
> Neighbourhood Challenge only: How would you use Ordnance Survey data in your
> solution? : See below.
> Wales Coast Path only: How will you use geographic information in your
> solution? : Yes! Geotagging on Wikipedia is so easy! One line and the whole
> article pops up! Through Layar (invisible to the User), we would view
> through the camera's phone what's around us, and automatically a number of
> Wikipedian "W"s pop up wherever the article's location is. For example, an
> User takes a look at a cluster of mountains, and immediately the "W" shows
> that there is an article written, so the user chooses a mountain with his or
> her finger and they're straight into the article! And not just Cymraeg and
> English: there are over 250 languages on Wikipedia. All articles would be
> geographically and traditionally (OS) tagged.
> Living Paths – Roger Bamkin and Robin Owain of Monmouthpedia were the pair
> behind this idea which will allow communities along the path to create a
> Wikipedia page and post stories about their communities allowing diverse
> local information to become accessible. Awarded: £17,500.
> As I see it, this is a programme whereby Wikimedia UK pays Wikipedians to
> get members of the public to become volunteer editors. You can see it as an
> editor recruitment programme, and as a programme to secure unemployed
> Wikipedian friends paid employment. There has been practically no discussion
> of this on wiki to date.
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Thomas Morton
> <email@example.com> wrote:
>> Hmm, well this is getting Murkier still. Have people violated these
>> Someone on Jimbo's talk linked to this article:
>> a) Identifies Roger as WMUK director with implication he is acting in
>> official capacity
>> b) Says that Gibraltar approached WMUK
>> I appreciated this is the media, so inaccuracey is likely. But I suggest
>> we quickly resolve the following issues:
>> * Did Gibraltar approach WMUK, or is this incorrect & they approached the
>> Monmouthpedia orgnaisers?
>> * If they did not approach WMUK, did they think, or were they led to think
>> they were approaching WMUK by whoever they did approach?
>> * Has Roger used his position as WMUK director to obtain this Gibraltar
>> I'm AGF that nothing untoward has happened here, but I suggest a statement
>> be issued with some urgency to clear these matters up. Or it may well
>> backfire on the charity.
>> On 18 September 2012 08:55, Jon Davies <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>>> Indeed - I think it is even mentioned in one of our many governance
>>> On 18 September 2012 08:52, Gordon Joly <email@example.com> wrote:
>>>> Whilst there may be no precise misdemeanor, can we assume that our
>>>> charity (Wikimedia UK) follows and applies the Nolan Principles to all
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