On 22 August 2012 20:34, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@gmail.com> wrote:
On 22 August 2012 20:18, Thomas Morton <morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote:Back in 2009, it was mostly creating web forms using HTML, javascript
>> I'm not a involved in technology professionally, but I did handle most
>> of the tech work for WMUK's first fundraiser in 2009.
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> Great! I've been trying to find someone able to give me a good overview of
> what exactly is needed (tech-wise) for the fundraiser to little effect. Any
> chance you could fill me in on what was/is needed?
and CSS and battling with CiviCRM to try and integrate them as well as
possible. We need something a little more sophisticated now, though
(actually, we needed something more sophisticated in 2009, but all we
had was me!).
> True, some aspects are hard to handle remotely. But, again, this gives us a> tech resource to draw on and helps justify FTE in 2014.I think the best approach is to accept that you are paying an inflated
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> Realistically speaking; if you're paying £35K for a developer/manager (which
> is what the last job description was looking for) it's not a great use of
> his or her time to be fixing laptops :) If this is a major issue there are
> contract tech support services we could look into to fill this specific gap
> that would be more cost effective.
price at first so that you can get someone with the potential to be a
head of department once there is a department for them to head. In the
meantime, they can fix laptops!
Why prioritise? Why not do everything? We aren't short of money,
> So this just needs prioritising; not everything will get support - but that,
> again, is another data point.
either as a chapter or as a movement. WMUK has a tendency to be afraid
to spend money. Not being wasteful is good, but our donors have given
us the money so we can use it. It's no good sitting in the bank.
It's helpful for us to do work that benefits the global movement.
> This is a silly idea, as I said before, and we should forget about this for
> a moment. Focus on our own tech needs.
Obviously, it is of benefit to the movement, but it is also of benefit
to us politically. One of the main arguments Sue Gardner (WMF ED) was
making for chapters not fundraising was that they only do local work
while the WMF does global work. We need to show people that that isn't
true. (It never has been true, and it her conclusion didn't follow
anyway, but that's not the point!)
Does your experience not tell you that there is always something
> I have considered everything I've been told so far about our own needs; and
> added on top of it my own experience in working this way. So I am confident
> one day per week is sufficient in the short term.
important that needs doing that you didn't think of before? That is
certainly the case in my experience and I can't see why tech would be
any difference.
> In fact, companies almost always overestimate the tech time they need. ThisWe're not a for-profit company trying to do the bare minimum, though.
> is because they see projects that might fill 4 days of work - and
> extrapolate that the developer is going to be BUSY. The truth is you get
> busy periods and lulls - and a good engineer will be able to manage time
> effectively to spread this out (for example; fundraiser might need lots of
> work, but if you start in May...).
If we have extra capacity, we can do extra work, and that's good.
Then set a larger budget. As I've said, I disagree that we couldn't
> What's the alternative? We can't find someone to do all the stuff we need at
> the budget we have set. And a FTE is certainly too much for our next years
> needs.
make good use of a full time tech person. ("Needs" is actually the
wrong word - it doesn't matter what we need, what matters is what we
could do that would be worth the money.)
Then we'll continue having problems due to having too little tech
> The best approach is to bring in a minimum utility and work up from there;
> justifying a FTE for the 2014 budget will be MUCH easier if we can say "look
> at X specific things we didn't have time to do".
capacity for another year.