Hi all,

Thanks Lewis and Richard for reaching out regarding this particular IP block off-list. The wider technical issue is that Global block import bot imports Meta softblocks as local hardblocks, which would cause more unintentional blockage in the future as MediaWiki blocks become more granular.

To clarify, I did not attempt to edit the minutes themselves. I was trying to fill in the internal links to other pages on the wiki that were set up in anticipation of such an internal link, e.g. https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/2020_AGM ; https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/General_Meetings

From a MediaWiki technical perspective, I would think the best way to control editions of important documents like minutes and election results would be to apply page protection to those pages, such that only current staff and trustees (and possibly a handful of seasoned volunteers) can edit them.

--Deryck

On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 at 23:29, Katie Crampton <katie.crampton@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Hi Lewis

We certainly do not publish documents with any form of signature on them, as can be seen with our Annual Accounts which have the text version of the signatories’ names.

The minutes do not require a signature for approval so this does not apply here. I’m not suggesting that a seasoned editor not be able to edit minutes, I’m requesting the staff team be bought into the discussion as how are we to know that it’s a seasoned editor with good intentions unless we’re regularly checking those pages, and as our minutes go back many years this seems an unreasonable undertaking. Ergo, an email conversation should be part of the process.

Thanks for your concerns, all reasonable.

Hope everyone’s enjoying tonight’s results!

Best
Katie

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On 7 Jul 2021, at 23:15, Lewis Cawte <lewiscawte@googlemail.com> wrote:


I do hope we're not keeping the "signed" authoritative copy of legal documents on the wiki. If we are, these should be page protected and properly noted with the correct template until we can take a long hard look in the mirror at our file keeping.

Meeting minutes are legal documents once they have been approved and signed by the meeting chair. In the case of an AGM, this approval is generally the next AGM. The page on a wiki itself notes that the minutes are a draft and have not been approved. Should they not be approved because of a very controversial internal link added by a seasoned contributor, these can be amended. I'd like to think we're a little more open as a chapter and a movement that's based on the principles of free and open knowledge than to shun help from our valued people who are simply trying to aid readability.

The issue Deryck is describing is technical, if the report is correct, and needs to be sorted by Jarry1250 (or whoever has taken over the bot maintenance), and Deryck needs to follow the steps listed on the bot's user page for an unblock.

-- Lewis Cawte

On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 at 22:28, Katie Crampton <katie.crampton@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
To be fair minutes for meetings shouldn’t be able to be edited by general editors anyway.
I don’t really understand the issue you’ve described Deryck, but minutes of AGMs are legal documents that we need auditors and the membership to approve, so it’d be grand if edits can be suggested to a member of staff such as myself or Lucy as common practice rather than made to the page itself.

Many thanks for highlighting the issue though.

Best
Katie

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On 7 Jul 2021, at 20:36, Lucy Crompton-Reid <lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:


Hi Deryck

I'll ask someone to look into this tomorrow. In the meantime, feel free to ping me the links and I will add them in. 

Thanks for flagging this up. 

Lucy

On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 at 19:17, Deryck Chan <deryckchan@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

I've just tried to edit the WMUK wiki to add a few internal links to the 2020 AGM minutes but saw that I was blocked due to a block imported by the global block importer. I had logged in.

On further investigation I realised that there's a WM global softblock on my IP range, but the WMUK wiki imported it as a hardblock. Can this be adjusted?

--Deryck
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