Hi Isaac,
We (or at least I) haven't totally ruled out the "company limited by guarantee" option since that's what Wikimedia UK did.
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Abbas Mahmood
t | +254722215101
s | abbasjnr
Wikimedia Kenya Member
"Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's our commitment."
> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 10:59:29 +0300
> From: kips8505izo@gmail.com
> To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
>
> Dear Oscar,
> About the Etherpad issue you should have explained everything clearly,
> thanks to stave am getting the password today.
> My point to you is Why don't register it as a company limited by
> Guarantee? ---NOT FOR PROFIT MAKING:::look at it along those lines and
> if you are OK with that Obadiah and I can assist in drafting the
> constitution (MOA and AOA). at least we have managed to go through the
> process and successful registered one of that Kind
>
> On 05/04/2011, Limoke Oscar <oslimoke@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Guys,
> > I am not so happy with this empty talk of you guys.We need to forge ahead
> > and focus on the Chapter.
> > I shared the etherpad for discusiion of the By-lwas only a fistful of the
> > "usual susspects" loged in and contributed to the same.So shame on you if
> > you did not log into the same and you have your mouth wide open
> > chanting-----well my apologies
> >
> > We need to focus on the bylwas and work on timelines.for instance we need to
> > say like after 14days after sharing the etherpad,the final discussions and
> > contributions will be deemed binding to the whole Chapter.So lets show oour
> > commitement and discuss the bylaws.its a shame that some of us have never
> > even read the existing bylaws so it would be very difficult to make a good
> > contribution....also read from other Chapters and make wise and learned
> > contributions.....
> >
> > see
> >
> > 1. Wikimedia Chapters-
> >
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_chapters&diff=0&oldid=2472514
> > 2. The Etherpad(password-wikimediakenya)----
> > http://oslimoke.ietherpad.com/1
> > 3. WikimediaKE Bylaws--
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Kenya/bylaws
> >
> > Regards,
> > and see u at the pad.....
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> let me repeat what I said earlier: we do NOT need TSLG to wire money into
> >> a personal account. They could pay the expenses directly to the concerned
> >> parties.
> >>
> >> And, to answer your question, when we receive a grant, whether it's from
> >> the government or an institution, the grant is not tax-deductible so long
> >> as
> >> it is being utilised to fulfill a non-profit mission. For instance, if you
> >> receive a grant to open up an M-Pesa shop, you are supposed to pay tax out
> >> of it. But in our case, we are non-profit, so we are tax-exempt.
> >>
> >> -------------------------------------
> >> Abbas Mahmood
> >> t | +254722215101
> >> f | www.facebook.com/abbasjnr
> >> s | abbasjnr
> >> Wikimedia Kenya Member
> >>
> >> "*Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free
> >> access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's our commitment."*
> >> **
> >> Please donate: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate/Now/en
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 22:37:11 -0700
> >> From: bruceobwari@gmail.com
> >>
> >> To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
> >>
> >> First let me say the case of TSL &G offers us opportunity to learn , i do
> >> echo Abbas sentiments regarding the need to focus on by-laws,having
> >> listened
> >> to the guy ,it did make lots of sense that if we think of engaging others
> >> we
> >> need to have a formalized engagement ,his being a corporate body it was
> >> crucial . point of correction ,the issue of money being deposited on
> >> individual account and having people posing as wikimedians was extensively
> >> used as an example to issue how we can run into serious legal issues if we
> >> don't address the issue of formality,
> >> On a lighter note, somebody please educate me on this ,whats our tax
> >> obligations when money is deposited in our accounts ,VAT , income tax, pay
> >> as you earn /deposit ,zero rated tax, have a tax -free day ,won't you!
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:42 AM, stephen wanjau
> >> <wanjaustev@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >> personally,I think we should focus on the bylaws then form some legal
> >> framework.It was part of the plan anyway.
> >>
> >> On 4/4/11, lilian nyarera <lireshi@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > Hey Abbas, its time we gave the bylaws a priority because i don't think
> >> > there's any pressing issue at the moment. Again you know matters dealing
> >> > with money must be delt with a lot of sensitivity so that the faster we
> >> > develop a legal framework the better. We are constantly growing big and
> >> soon
> >> > the members, grantors/donors will require audited work with signatories.
> >> > Thats just my thot. though. Regards.
> >> >
> >> > On Mon Apr 4th, 2011 10:12 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>I propose that we now focus more on the bylaws and legal vehicle so that
> >> we
> >> >> can submit the final draft and get registered ASAP, lest we shall miss
> >> >> this and many more partnerships to come.
> >> >>
> >> >>> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:35:39 +0000
> >> >>> From: sarahosano@gmail.com
> >> >>> To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hello Steve,
> >> >>> I agree that we would require an account becouse at some point we will
> >> be
> >> >>> asking for grants,donations or something,and other than the
> >> foundation,I
> >> >>> dont think anybody else would be willing to deposit money in personal
> >> >>> account.
> >> >>> At this stage that we are still not a legal entity,I find it tricky to
> >> >>> form such a partnership.It is a great idea though.
> >> >>> Regards
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >I do not agree with the fact that ''money that enters into a personal
> >> >>> > account must be taxed''. And who said we need money in the first
> >> >>> > place?? I mean, they don't have to wire us the money: they could
> >> >>> > directly pay the accommodation and other bills without the money
> >> >>> > passing into our hands.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Personnally, I'm also skeptical in forming such a partnershp at this
> >> >>> > stage -- simply because we aren't registered as yet.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Regarding our IDs, let's just say that the schools laid mutual trust
> >> in
> >> >>> > us, since after all, they were the sole beneficiaries and they had
> >> >>> > nothing to lose. However, this current scenario is more complex,
> >> since
> >> >>> > it is a partnership and usually requires both parties signing an
> >> >>> > official document, which I don't think we have the capacity to do
> >> >>> > so.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >I remember talking to Sue (the Executive Director of WMF) while I was
> >> in
> >> >>> > Berlin regarding the grants process and she told me that the reason
> >> why
> >> >>> > the Foundation gives out grants to chapters is because they want us
> >> to
> >> >>> > make mistakes and learn from our mistakes, since the foundation is
> >> >>> > softer, forgiving and has a sense of trust in us. However, when we
> >> make
> >> >>> > a mistake with TSLG, we have the law to answer.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >I'm not saying no to this partnership, but neither am I saying yes. I
> >> >>> > remain skeptical and await to see other reactions.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 18:29:07 +0300
> >> >>> >From: wanjaustev@gmail.com
> >> >>> >To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> >>> >Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Just expounding on what Bruce just explained.The managing director Of
> >> >>> > TSLG ,Mr. Arthur Olual main worry is security on our side and his
> >> too
> >> >>> > because his is already a company.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >He said that at some time back some guys went to a school and said
> >> they
> >> >>> > were sent by TSLG and then went ahead.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >to collect five computers that they said required servicing at 'their
> >> >>> > station'.luckily the school called him and he told the school
> >> >>> > administration that nobody has been mandated to collect computers
> >> from
> >> >>> > schools by TSLG!
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >About the money to carry on the project,he said he cannot deposit
> >> money
> >> >>> > into personal accounts because the auditors could quiz the same and
> >> its
> >> >>> > bad governance!Money into a personal account is income and should be
> >> >>> > taxed.(probably our colleagues who take accounting know what that
> >> >>> > means)
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >By the same token someone could go out and pose to be a wiki-median
> >> and
> >> >>> > do some harm out there then we would be in trouble with the law.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >In fact he asked us how we have been presenting/introducing ourselves
> >> at
> >> >>> > the schools we visited!
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >So I guess that this is a wake up call so that we lay down measures
> >> >>> > to
> >> >>> > register as a legal entity.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Cheers,
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:04 PM, BRANTON OBWARI <bruceobwari@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> >>> > wrote:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Steve and i have just met the TSL &G MD
> >> >>> >we had a very
> >> >>> >constructive discussion and among issues that came was the issue of a
> >> >>> >formal engagement in the manner that he gets a formal communication
> >> from
> >> >>> > the Foundation ,or rather some official communication from the
> >> chapters
> >> >>> > heads i.e Abbas ,Oscar,
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > He was of the view the earlier we formalize the better coz he
> >> >>> >would be having a meeting with Ministry of Education in the next few
> >> >>> >days and he wanted us to have some representatives in the same
> >> meeting.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > He also said that the next training for Nyeri teachers was scheduled
> >> to
> >> >>> > occur in the next two weeks and was requesting our participation if
> >> we
> >> >>> >are formally engaged.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > He said we can engage him either by one, training his team and
> >> >>> > giving them the content for them to for them to install OR by
> >> >>> > incorporating two members from our team ,
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > The bone of contention at the moment is the formal engagement so we
> >> >>> > urge Abbas and Oscar to facilitate that,
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > rgds ,
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Steve and Bruce.
> >> >>> >- Show quoted text -
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:00 PM, BRANTON OBWARI <bruceobwari@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> >>> > wrote:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Steve and i have just met the TSL &G MD
> >> >>> >we had a very constructive discussion and among issues that came was
> >> the
> >> >>> > issue of a formal engagement in the manner that he gets a formal
> >> >>> > communication from the Foundation ,or rather some official
> >> >>> > communication from the chapters heads i.e Abbas ,Oscar,
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > He was of the view the earlier we formalize the better coz he
> >> >>> > would be having a meeting with Ministry of Education in the next few
> >> >>> > days and he wanted us to have some representatives in the same
> >> meeting.
> >> >>> > He also said that the next training for Nyeri teachers was
> >> >>> > scheduled to occur in the next two weeks and was requesting our
> >> >>> > participation if we are formally engaged.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > He said we can engage him either by one, training his team and
> >> >>> > giving them the content
> >> >>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:04 AM, oscar okwero <oscar_okwero@yahoo.com>
> >> >>> > wrote:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >for a new entrant am impressed by that,lets do more to engage our
> >> >>> > members.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >--- On Sat, 4/2/11, Alex Wafula <xelawafs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >From: Alex Wafula <xelawafs@yahoo.com>
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
> >> >>> >To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> >>> >Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 5:22 PM
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Hey Branton,
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Seems like a great idea. So when do you plan to meetup with these
> >> >>> > guys
> >> >>> > next and get more details on this.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Cheers,
> >> >>> >Alex.
> >> >>> >
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> >> >>> >
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