Anirudh, Lodewijk,
The lawyer is also reviewing the bylaws. Hopefully, I'll get his response by the end of the week.
--Abbas.
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> From: anirudhsbh@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 11:10:47 +0530
> To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] : Need for a structure
>
> Thanks Lodewijk, I was under the same impression.
>
> Abbas, have you consulted with Ali yet?
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> Anirudh Bhati
>
> 00 91 9328712208
> Skype: anirudhsbh
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Lodewijk <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > what I understood from Abbas in the past was that they first wanted to have
> > a lawyer take a look at it (after a first glance at the bylaws, that seems
> > wise to make sure it actually fits the demands of Kenyan law), before asking
> > chapcom to give actual input. But please let me know if I misunderstood
> > here.
> > Best, Lodewijk
> >
> > 2011/1/25 Anirudh Bhati <anirudhsbh@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> The link to the proposed bylaws is available here. This is the same
> >> document as was sent to Delphine.
> >>
> >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Kenya/bylaws
> >>
> >> Yours sincerely,
> >>
> >> Anirudh Bhati
> >>
> >> 00 91 9328712208
> >> Skype: anirudhsbh
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Abbas Mahmoud <abbasjnr@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hi Delphine,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for being honest with us. We shall review the bylaws and resubmit
> >> > them to ChapCom.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> >
> >> > Abbas.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:15:40 +0100
> >> >> From: notafishz@gmail.com
> >> >> To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> >> Subject: [Wikimedia Kenya] : Need for a structure
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Abbas,
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Abbas Mahmoud <abbasjnr@hotmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Hi Manuel,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > We have already submitted the bylaws to ChapCom and are awaiting
> >> >> > their
> >> >> > approval. I greatly appreciate ChapCom's advice, especially from
> >> >> > Lodewijk
> >> >> > and Delphine. Sometimes back in December, i asked Lodewijk about when
> >> >> > we
> >> >> > should expect to be approved. He told me that we should have a look
> >> >> > at
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > draft bylaws and seal all the remaining loopholes and submit a final
> >> >> > draft
> >> >> > and hopefully ChapCom would give their approval probably 2weeks
> >> >> > later.
> >> >>
> >> >> I must say that I read this and was "ooops!, I've missed a step", as i
> >> >> didn't recall any request for bylaws approval sent to the chapcom in
> >> >> the past few weeks for Wikimedia Kenya.
> >> >>
> >> >> So I looked back on the history of our exchanges and came to the
> >> >> following timeline:
> >> >> * July 2010, Abbas sends us the byalws to get approved
> >> >> * after which he and I have a quite long conversation about whether or
> >> >> not to start with founding the chapter or maybe start getting into the
> >> >> nick of things and organize wikipedia centered
> >> >> events/happenings/projects.
> >> >> * You all pull together the Wikipedia at School project, which is
> >> >> officially launched a few days ago
> >> >> *along with Ting's and other WMF people visit.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have to say that between July and now, I personally had completely
> >> >> forgotten that there was a "pending approval" of bylaws.
> >> >>
> >> >> As such, I first want to apologize for this misunderstanding, because
> >> >> in my mind's eye, the chapter idea was put on hold until more people
> >> >> were found and active supporters gained to the cause of a chapter.
> >> >>
> >> >> So to be fair, chapcom has not reviewed the bylaws at all. So it's not
> >> >> like we're taking our time, we just weren't that clearly aware that
> >> >> the bylaws were awaiting approval.
> >> >>
> >> >> > At that time, we were all engaged in making preparations for Ting's
> >> >> > arrival,
> >> >> > the Wikipedia 10 Anniversary & the Wikipedia Schools Project so I
> >> >> > really
> >> >> > didn't prioritize reviewing the bylaws. Since we've relieved most of
> >> >> > our
> >> >> > burden now, I guess it's now time to review and make the final
> >> >> > touches
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > the bylaws and we'll hopefully submit a final draft to ChapCom by 1st
> >> >> > February.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyway, my mistake, how do we get forward? Well, your outline above
> >> >> makes perfect sense. So here goes:
> >> >>
> >> >> *Your group reviews the bylaws that are on meta, to see if they still
> >> >> suit your needs/wishes
> >> >> *You fill the little "questionnaire" Chapcom put together to give us
> >> >> something of an "identity card" of what the active people is all about
> >> >> [1]
> >> >> * Once you all agree on the final version of the bylaws, you
> >> >> (re)submit to chapcom and we will look at them and go through the
> >> >> discussion process.
> >> >>
> >> >> I just want to make sure that the bylaws submission reflects the
> >> >> people involved today, and make sure that founding a chapter is really
> >> >> the goal you want to pursue as a group and not some proposal that once
> >> >> was and that we're pulling out of our drawers for convenience.
> >> >>
> >> >> I am really looking forward to working with you all and hoping we can
> >> >> get Wikimedia Kenya on tracks as soon as possible. :) I want to
> >> >> apologize if you had been under the impression the chapcom was not
> >> >> doing its job... we were not, but because we didn't really consciously
> >> >> know we had a job to do. :D
> >> >>
> >> >> Best,
> >> >>
> >> >> Delphine
> >> >> [1]
> >> >>
> >> >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters_committee/Pipeline/Follow-up_questions
> >> >> (fill it on the meta page for Wikimedia Kenya, for example, or on a
> >> >> subpage of the same.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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