Helo Good people,
Am new to the group. Someone to please explain to me what you guys are upto
with the registration stuff.
I really don't understand what you guys are discussing.
Regards,
Cliff.
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> 1. Re: Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011 (Oliver Stegen)
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> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:40:50 +0300
> From: "Oliver Stegen" <oliver_stegen(a)sil.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011
> To: "'The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter.'"
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> Well said, Abbas,
>
> I wholeheartedly support us going ahead with co.ltd by guarantee and
> requesting the lawyer to suggest changes to our bylaws accordingly.
>
> Haya, tusonge mbele!
>
> Oliver (aka BT)
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: wikimediake-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> [mailto:wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Abbas
> Mahmood
> Sent: 11 April 2011 15:36
> To: Wikimedia Kenya
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:43:12 +0300
>
> > From: chriwaustin(a)gmail.com
> > To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011
> >
> > Greetings, the issue of registering the chapter is a pressing matter
> > at the moment. Its therefore my appeal to all of us to ensure we get
> > the current stalement behind us ASAP.
> > As mentioned at the meeting, proceedings between the lawyer and our
> > representatives were to be posted; so as to act as a guidance for the
> > other members prior to the voting.
>
>
>
> At this stage, I'm assuming that the active members all know the difference
> of a trust, society and co. ltd by guarantee. I don't mind writing them
> down
> again, but the issue that has just been raised is that this is not a voting
> matter.
>
>
>
> >An official voting session was
> > then to be organized where the legal vehicle selected by most of the
> > members will prevail. However, of greater importance were the by-laws
> > that are supposed to govern us.
> > Therefore, a greater responsibility lies to those liasing with the
> > lawyer in educating the rest of the members before we get to vote.
>
>
>
> I am the person liaising with the lawyer and I have tried my level best to
> repeat over and over again what he told me and the ones that were at the
> iHub meetup. And, despite Oscar being tired of this monotony, I have still
> taken the initiative to answer most, if not all, queries regarding the
> bylaws and the legal mechanism to the best of my ability.
>
>
> > Moreover, we need to set reasonable time-limits for instance the
> > voting date, duration et cetera.
>
>
>
> But the issue here is that some people don't want to vote in the first
> place. So why set a voting date, if this is not an issue that requires
> voting?
>
>
>
> Lastly, timely and official
> > documentation of any proceedings, sessions and occurences need to be
> > availed to all members.
>
>
>
> What documents, in particular? If it is the minutes, they are on the
> mailing
> list. If it's the bylaws, they are on meta, on wikimedia.or.ke and on
> etherpad. As far as I know, all important documents are shared. It is up to
> the members themselves to take an initiative of keenly following up the
> discussions on a day-to-day basis.
>
>
> > We need to get words into action immediately for the well being of the
> > foundation.
>
>
>
> Not for the well being of the Foundation. The Foundation and the chapters
> are two different entities. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's for the well
> being of Wikimedia Kenya.
> > Regards, Riwa.
> >
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>
> From: jowen(a)wikimedia.org
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:34:20 -0700
> To: wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2012 Awarded to Washington, DC
>
> Dear all,
>
> The Wikimania jury are pleased to announce that they have selected Washington, D.C., USA as the location for Wikimania 2012[0]. The DC team presented an imaginative and exciting bid[1] that the jurors found impressive. As before, all the bids to host Wikimania had strong points in their favour and making this decision was difficult. We will send detailed feedback to each of the bids, but for now we know the winning team will appreciate the community's support and help in making a great Wikimania in 2012. The jury particularly thanks the other finalist in the process, the South African team[2] for their excellent work, and encourages them to bid again in the near future.
>
> If you have never been to a Wikimania before I would urge you to consider attending. This year the conference will be in Haifa, Israel[3], and promises to be an excellent event. Wikimania is always a great way to meet members of our global community and help improve the movement, and Washington DC looks to be a worthy successor.
>
> Our congratulations to the Washington DC team and many thanks to all of the bidders for working so hard. I encourage all bidders to use the fantastic energy they have put into their bids by hosting smaller continental or regional events, and considering another bid for Wikimania in the future.
>
> The jury welcomes looks forward to discussing the result and the Wikimania process with the community.
>
> [0] Jury, process& timeline:http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2012
> [1] DC bid:http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2012/Bids/Washington,_D.C.
> [2] SA bid: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2012/Bids/Stellenbosch
> [3] Wikimania 2011:http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2011
>
> Yours,
>
> The Wikimania 2012 jury moderators [non-voting]
> * James Forrester
> * Joseph Seddon
>
> On behalf of the Wikimania 2012 jury:
> * Ting Chen
> * Austin Hair
> * Richard Knipel
> * Deror Lin
> * Patricio Lorente
> * Abbas Mahmoud
> * Takashi Ota
> * James Owen
> * Achal Prabhala
> * Liam Wyatt
>
> * Phoebe Ayers [non-voting advisor]
> * Sue Gardner [non-voting advisor]
> * Samuel Klein [non-voting advisor]
> * Delphine Menard [non-voting advisor]
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Great to see you here Oscar. You can check out our site to get upto date ie wikimedia.or.ke
It contains basic details on our operations plus I'll be doing some updates on it from next week.
Alex.
On Mon Apr 11th, 2011 10:27 PM PDT oscar okwero wrote:
>
>Hie Guys, Am new to the community and from the onset i would say these are very fruitful discussions,is there anything like orientation for newees ama i just pick up from the discussions?
>--- On Mon, 4/11/11, Chris Riwa <chriwaustin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>From: Chris Riwa <chriwaustin(a)gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011
>To: "The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter." <wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 11:43 AM
>
>Greetings, the issue of registering the chapter is a pressing matter
>at the moment. Its therefore my appeal to all of us to ensure we get
>the current stalement behind us ASAP.
>As mentioned at the meeting, proceedings between the lawyer and our
>representatives were to be posted; so as to act as a guidance for the
>other members prior to the voting. An official voting session was
>then to be organized where the legal vehicle selected by most of the
>members will prevail. However, of greater importance were the by-laws
>that are supposed to govern us.
>Therefore, a greater responsibility lies to those liasing with the
>lawyer in educating the rest of the members before we get to vote.
>Moreover, we need to set reasonable time-limits for instance the
>voting date, duration et cetera. Lastly, timely and official
>documentation of any proceedings, sessions and occurences need to be
>availed to all members.
>We need to get words into action immediately for the well being of the
>foundation.
>Regards, Riwa.
>
>_______________________________________________
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Great to see you here Oscar. You can check out our site to get upto date ie wikimedia.or.ke
It contains basic details on our operations plus I'll be doing some updates on it from next week.
Alex.
On Mon Apr 11th, 2011 10:27 PM PDT oscar okwero wrote:
>
>Hie Guys, Am new to the community and from the onset i would say these are very fruitful discussions,is there anything like orientation for newees ama i just pick up from the discussions?
>--- On Mon, 4/11/11, Chris Riwa <chriwaustin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>From: Chris Riwa <chriwaustin(a)gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011
>To: "The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter." <wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 11:43 AM
>
>Greetings, the issue of registering the chapter is a pressing matter
>at the moment. Its therefore my appeal to all of us to ensure we get
>the current stalement behind us ASAP.
>As mentioned at the meeting, proceedings between the lawyer and our
>representatives were to be posted; so as to act as a guidance for the
>other members prior to the voting. An official voting session was
>then to be organized where the legal vehicle selected by most of the
>members will prevail. However, of greater importance were the by-laws
>that are supposed to govern us.
>Therefore, a greater responsibility lies to those liasing with the
>lawyer in educating the rest of the members before we get to vote.
>Moreover, we need to set reasonable time-limits for instance the
>voting date, duration et cetera. Lastly, timely and official
>documentation of any proceedings, sessions and occurences need to be
>availed to all members.
>We need to get words into action immediately for the well being of the
>foundation.
>Regards, Riwa.
>
>_______________________________________________
>WikimediaKE mailing list
>WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
Great to see you here Oscar. You can check out our site to get upto date ie wikimedia.or.ke
It contains basic details on our operations plus I'll be doing some updates on it from next week.
Alex.
On Mon Apr 11th, 2011 10:27 PM PDT oscar okwero wrote:
>
>Hie Guys, Am new to the community and from the onset i would say these are very fruitful discussions,is there anything like orientation for newees ama i just pick up from the discussions?
>--- On Mon, 4/11/11, Chris Riwa <chriwaustin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>From: Chris Riwa <chriwaustin(a)gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011
>To: "The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter." <wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 11:43 AM
>
>Greetings, the issue of registering the chapter is a pressing matter
>at the moment. Its therefore my appeal to all of us to ensure we get
>the current stalement behind us ASAP.
>As mentioned at the meeting, proceedings between the lawyer and our
>representatives were to be posted; so as to act as a guidance for the
>other members prior to the voting. An official voting session was
>then to be organized where the legal vehicle selected by most of the
>members will prevail. However, of greater importance were the by-laws
>that are supposed to govern us.
>Therefore, a greater responsibility lies to those liasing with the
>lawyer in educating the rest of the members before we get to vote.
>Moreover, we need to set reasonable time-limits for instance the
>voting date, duration et cetera. Lastly, timely and official
>documentation of any proceedings, sessions and occurences need to be
>availed to all members.
>We need to get words into action immediately for the well being of the
>foundation.
>Regards, Riwa.
>
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>WikimediaKE mailing list
>WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
I think thats now precise.See you there guys.
Cheers,
Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>At the Fountain of Knowledge.
>
>> From: nyashkn(a)gmail.com
>> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 23:24:46 +0300
>> To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Saturday meetup
>>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> Nairobi Uni is quite big...where exactly?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kinyanjui
>> On Apr 8, 2011, at 9:18 PM, Alex Wafula wrote:
>>
>> > Hi again,
>> >
>> > Thought we could meet at Nairobi university from 10 am.
>> >
>> > If there aren't any objections to this, guess this is the new venue for tomorrow's meetup. See you then.
>> >
>> > Cheers.
>> >
>> > On Fri Apr 8th, 2011 9:11 AM PDT Alex Wafula wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi guys,
>> >>
>> >> I'm sorry to inform you that ihub's already booked tomorrow. I'm just from chating with Tosh regarding this and the earliest they can accommodate us is mid next week.
>> >>
>> >> Really sorry for the inconvinience guy.
>> >>
>> >> So any ideas on a plan B?
>> >>
>> >> Alex.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri Apr 8th, 2011 7:37 AM PDT Oliver Stegen wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Very sorry: Will have to take my daughter to a doctor's appointment at 10am
>> >>> so please start without me - but will try to come afterwards.
>> >>> Oliver (aka BT)
>> >>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: wikimediake-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediake-
>> >>>> bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Alex Wafula
>> >>>> Sent: 07 April 2011 22:28
>> >>>> To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Saturday meetup
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I've already requested for space at the ihub from 10 am - 12 pm so I'm
>> >>>> just awaiting for confirmation of availability.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In terms of the agenda, I believe discussion of the Bylaws will be the
>> >>>> main focus then maybe later onwards, it would be great for Abbas and Oscar
>> >>>> to give us tales from their trip to Germany.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Looking forward to see some new faces.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Cheers,
>> >>>> Alex.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu Apr 7th, 2011 11:40 AM PDT Njoroge Kinyanjui wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I will also show up...I know i haven't been so vocal,am now willing to
>> >>>> plug for I have also closed...It's starting at 10?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>> Kinyanjui
>> >>>>> On Apr 7, 2011, at 6:52 PM, wanjaustev(a)gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Count me in too.I will be available for the meet am on my holz.so
>> >>>> anytime Wikimedia Kenya.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> "Isaac K. Kosgei " <kips8505izo(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Hi all,
>> >>>>>>> pardon the Egerton team coz they won't be there due to the fact that
>> >>>>>>> they are preparing for exams which begin two weeks from now. At the
>> >>>>>>> moment we are doing cats and finalizing on projects. We will join you
>> >>>>>>> next month onwards hope you will understand. Thanks
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On 07/04/2011, Alex Wafula <xelawafs(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> So is the Saturday meetup happening. I believe so far we have Oliver,
>> >>>> Abbas
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> of course me who've confirmed attendance
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> --Alex
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>> Isaac K. Kosgei.
>> >>>>>>> Bachelor of Agribusiness Management
>> >>>>>>> Egerton University,
>> >>>>>>> Njoro Kenya.
>> >>>>>>> (+254727553981)
>> >>>>>>> www.linkedin.com/in/kipsizoo
>> >>>>>>> Skype:Kipsizoo
>> >>>>>>> Twitter:@Kipsizoo
>> >>>>>>> *"You Must be the Change you wish to see in the world"-Mahatma Ghandi
>> >>>>>>> *
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Hi again,
Thought we could meet at Nairobi university from 10 am.
If there aren't any objections to this, guess this is the new venue for tomorrow's meetup. See you then.
Cheers.
On Fri Apr 8th, 2011 9:11 AM PDT Alex Wafula wrote:
>Hi guys,
>
>I'm sorry to inform you that ihub's already booked tomorrow. I'm just from chating with Tosh regarding this and the earliest they can accommodate us is mid next week.
>
>Really sorry for the inconvinience guy.
>
>So any ideas on a plan B?
>
>Alex.
>
>On Fri Apr 8th, 2011 7:37 AM PDT Oliver Stegen wrote:
>
>>Very sorry: Will have to take my daughter to a doctor's appointment at 10am
>>so please start without me - but will try to come afterwards.
>>Oliver (aka BT)
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: wikimediake-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediake-
>>> bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Alex Wafula
>>> Sent: 07 April 2011 22:28
>>> To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Saturday meetup
>>>
>>> I've already requested for space at the ihub from 10 am - 12 pm so I'm
>>> just awaiting for confirmation of availability.
>>>
>>> In terms of the agenda, I believe discussion of the Bylaws will be the
>>> main focus then maybe later onwards, it would be great for Abbas and Oscar
>>> to give us tales from their trip to Germany.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to see some new faces.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alex.
>>>
>>> On Thu Apr 7th, 2011 11:40 AM PDT Njoroge Kinyanjui wrote:
>>>
>>> >I will also show up...I know i haven't been so vocal,am now willing to
>>> plug for I have also closed...It's starting at 10?
>>> >
>>> >Regards,
>>> >Kinyanjui
>>> >On Apr 7, 2011, at 6:52 PM, wanjaustev(a)gmail.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Count me in too.I will be available for the meet am on my holz.so
>>> anytime Wikimedia Kenya.
>>> >>
>>> >> "Isaac K. Kosgei " <kips8505izo(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hi all,
>>> >>> pardon the Egerton team coz they won't be there due to the fact that
>>> >>> they are preparing for exams which begin two weeks from now. At the
>>> >>> moment we are doing cats and finalizing on projects. We will join you
>>> >>> next month onwards hope you will understand. Thanks
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 07/04/2011, Alex Wafula <xelawafs(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> So is the Saturday meetup happening. I believe so far we have Oliver,
>>> Abbas
>>> >>>> and
>>> >>>> of course me who've confirmed attendance
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --Alex
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Isaac K. Kosgei.
>>> >>> Bachelor of Agribusiness Management
>>> >>> Egerton University,
>>> >>> Njoro Kenya.
>>> >>> (+254727553981)
>>> >>> www.linkedin.com/in/kipsizoo
>>> >>> Skype:Kipsizoo
>>> >>> Twitter:@Kipsizoo
>>> >>> *"You Must be the Change you wish to see in the world"-Mahatma Ghandi
>>> >>> *
>>> >>>
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Hi guys,
I'm sorry to inform you that ihub's already booked tomorrow. I'm just from chating with Tosh regarding this and the earliest they can accommodate us is mid next week.
Really sorry for the inconvinience guy.
So any ideas on a plan B?
Alex.
On Fri Apr 8th, 2011 7:37 AM PDT Oliver Stegen wrote:
>Very sorry: Will have to take my daughter to a doctor's appointment at 10am
>so please start without me - but will try to come afterwards.
>Oliver (aka BT)
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: wikimediake-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediake-
>> bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Alex Wafula
>> Sent: 07 April 2011 22:28
>> To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Saturday meetup
>>
>> I've already requested for space at the ihub from 10 am - 12 pm so I'm
>> just awaiting for confirmation of availability.
>>
>> In terms of the agenda, I believe discussion of the Bylaws will be the
>> main focus then maybe later onwards, it would be great for Abbas and Oscar
>> to give us tales from their trip to Germany.
>>
>> Looking forward to see some new faces.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alex.
>>
>> On Thu Apr 7th, 2011 11:40 AM PDT Njoroge Kinyanjui wrote:
>>
>> >I will also show up...I know i haven't been so vocal,am now willing to
>> plug for I have also closed...It's starting at 10?
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >Kinyanjui
>> >On Apr 7, 2011, at 6:52 PM, wanjaustev(a)gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> Count me in too.I will be available for the meet am on my holz.so
>> anytime Wikimedia Kenya.
>> >>
>> >> "Isaac K. Kosgei " <kips8505izo(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>> pardon the Egerton team coz they won't be there due to the fact that
>> >>> they are preparing for exams which begin two weeks from now. At the
>> >>> moment we are doing cats and finalizing on projects. We will join you
>> >>> next month onwards hope you will understand. Thanks
>> >>>
>> >>> On 07/04/2011, Alex Wafula <xelawafs(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>> So is the Saturday meetup happening. I believe so far we have Oliver,
>> Abbas
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> of course me who've confirmed attendance
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --Alex
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Isaac K. Kosgei.
>> >>> Bachelor of Agribusiness Management
>> >>> Egerton University,
>> >>> Njoro Kenya.
>> >>> (+254727553981)
>> >>> www.linkedin.com/in/kipsizoo
>> >>> Skype:Kipsizoo
>> >>> Twitter:@Kipsizoo
>> >>> *"You Must be the Change you wish to see in the world"-Mahatma Ghandi
>> >>> *
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
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I've already requested for space at the ihub from 10 am - 12 pm so I'm just awaiting for confirmation of availability.
In terms of the agenda, I believe discussion of the Bylaws will be the main focus then maybe later onwards, it would be great for Abbas and Oscar to give us tales from their trip to Germany.
Looking forward to see some new faces.
Cheers,
Alex.
On Thu Apr 7th, 2011 11:40 AM PDT Njoroge Kinyanjui wrote:
>I will also show up...I know i haven't been so vocal,am now willing to plug for I have also closed...It's starting at 10?
>
>Regards,
>Kinyanjui
>On Apr 7, 2011, at 6:52 PM, wanjaustev(a)gmail.com wrote:
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>> Count me in too.I will be available for the meet am on my holz.so anytime Wikimedia Kenya.
>>
>> "Isaac K. Kosgei " <kips8505izo(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> pardon the Egerton team coz they won't be there due to the fact that
>>> they are preparing for exams which begin two weeks from now. At the
>>> moment we are doing cats and finalizing on projects. We will join you
>>> next month onwards hope you will understand. Thanks
>>>
>>> On 07/04/2011, Alex Wafula <xelawafs(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> So is the Saturday meetup happening. I believe so far we have Oliver, Abbas
>>>> and
>>>> of course me who've confirmed attendance
>>>>
>>>> --Alex
>>>>
>>>
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Count me in too.I will be available for the meet am on my holz.so anytime Wikimedia Kenya.
"Isaac K. Kosgei " <kips8505izo(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi all,
>pardon the Egerton team coz they won't be there due to the fact that
>they are preparing for exams which begin two weeks from now. At the
>moment we are doing cats and finalizing on projects. We will join you
>next month onwards hope you will understand. Thanks
>
>On 07/04/2011, Alex Wafula <xelawafs(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> So is the Saturday meetup happening. I believe so far we have Oliver, Abbas
>> and
>> of course me who've confirmed attendance
>>
>> --Alex
>>
>
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>Njoro Kenya.
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Helo everyone!
I am Cliff Ochieng' currently a member of Mozilla Kenya. I would love to
become a member of your group and share ideas towards the betterment of your
missions as a community.
Hey Abbas, its time we gave the bylaws a priority because i don't think there's any pressing issue at the moment. Again you know matters dealing with money must be delt with a lot of sensitivity so that the faster we develop a legal framework the better. We are constantly growing big and soon the members, grantors/donors will require audited work with signatories. Thats just my thot. though. Regards.
On Mon Apr 4th, 2011 10:12 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
>I propose that we now focus more on the bylaws and legal vehicle so that we can submit the final draft and get registered ASAP, lest we shall miss this and many more partnerships to come.
>
>> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:35:39 +0000
>> From: sarahosano(a)gmail.com
>> To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
>>
>> Hello Steve,
>> I agree that we would require an account becouse at some point we will be asking for grants,donations or something,and other than the foundation,I dont think anybody else would be willing to deposit money in personal account.
>> At this stage that we are still not a legal entity,I find it tricky to form such a partnership.It is a great idea though.
>> Regards
>>
>> Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I do not agree with the fact that ''money that enters into a personal account must be taxed''. And who said we need money in the first place?? I mean, they don't have to wire us the money: they could directly pay the accommodation and other bills without the money passing into our hands.
>> >
>> >Personnally, I'm also skeptical in forming such a partnershp at this stage -- simply because we aren't registered as yet.
>> >
>> >Regarding our IDs, let's just say that the schools laid mutual trust in us, since after all, they were the sole beneficiaries and they had nothing to lose. However, this current scenario is more complex, since it is a partnership and usually requires both parties signing an official document, which I don't think we have the capacity to do so.
>> >
>> >I remember talking to Sue (the Executive Director of WMF) while I was in Berlin regarding the grants process and she told me that the reason why the Foundation gives out grants to chapters is because they want us to make mistakes and learn from our mistakes, since the foundation is softer, forgiving and has a sense of trust in us. However, when we make a mistake with TSLG, we have the law to answer.
>> >
>> >I'm not saying no to this partnership, but neither am I saying yes. I remain skeptical and await to see other reactions.
>> >
>> >Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 18:29:07 +0300
>> >From: wanjaustev(a)gmail.com
>> >To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>> >Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
>> >
>> >Just expounding on what Bruce just explained.The managing director Of TSLG ,Mr. Arthur Olual main worry is security on our side and his too because his is already a company.
>> >
>> >He said that at some time back some guys went to a school and said they were sent by TSLG and then went ahead.
>> >
>> >to collect five computers that they said required servicing at 'their station'.luckily the school called him and he told the school administration that nobody has been mandated to collect computers from schools by TSLG!
>> >
>> >
>> >About the money to carry on the project,he said he cannot deposit money into personal accounts because the auditors could quiz the same and its bad governance!Money into a personal account is income and should be taxed.(probably our colleagues who take accounting know what that means)
>> >
>> >
>> >By the same token someone could go out and pose to be a wiki-median and do some harm out there then we would be in trouble with the law.
>> >
>> >In fact he asked us how we have been presenting/introducing ourselves at the schools we visited!
>> >
>> >
>> >So I guess that this is a wake up call so that we lay down measures to register as a legal entity.
>> >
>> >Cheers,
>> >
>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:04 PM, BRANTON OBWARI <bruceobwari(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >Steve and i have just met the TSL &G MD
>> >we had a very
>> >constructive discussion and among issues that came was the issue of a
>> >formal engagement in the manner that he gets a formal communication from
>> > the Foundation ,or rather some official communication from the chapters
>> > heads i.e Abbas ,Oscar,
>> >
>> > He was of the view the earlier we formalize the better coz he
>> >would be having a meeting with Ministry of Education in the next few
>> >days and he wanted us to have some representatives in the same meeting.
>> >
>> > He also said that the next training for Nyeri teachers was scheduled to
>> > occur in the next two weeks and was requesting our participation if we
>> >are formally engaged.
>> >
>> > He said we can engage him either by one, training his team and giving them the content for them to for them to install OR by incorporating two members from our team ,
>> >
>> > The bone of contention at the moment is the formal engagement so we urge Abbas and Oscar to facilitate that,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > rgds ,
>> > Steve and Bruce.
>> >- Show quoted text -
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:00 PM, BRANTON OBWARI <bruceobwari(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
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>> >
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>> >Steve and i have just met the TSL &G MD
>> >we had a very constructive discussion and among issues that came was the issue of a formal engagement in the manner that he gets a formal communication from the Foundation ,or rather some official communication from the chapters heads i.e Abbas ,Oscar,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > He was of the view the earlier we formalize the better coz he would be having a meeting with Ministry of Education in the next few days and he wanted us to have some representatives in the same meeting.
>> > He also said that the next training for Nyeri teachers was scheduled to occur in the next two weeks and was requesting our participation if we are formally engaged.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > He said we can engage him either by one, training his team and giving them the content
>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:04 AM, oscar okwero <oscar_okwero(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> >for a new entrant am impressed by that,lets do more to engage our members.
>> >
>> >--- On Sat, 4/2/11, Alex Wafula <xelawafs(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >From: Alex Wafula <xelawafs(a)yahoo.com>
>> >
>> >Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
>> >To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>> >Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 5:22 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Hey Branton,
>> >
>> >Seems like a great idea. So when do you plan to meetup with these guys next and get more details on this.
>> >
>> >Cheers,
>> >Alex.
>> >
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Well said Abbas, specifically on the issue of board members representing the community.
So echoing Abbas, if we are to increase the number of board members, I don't see Oscar's reason as a valid one.
Regarding the Etherpad, yah, I can't do updates via phone :( I've always seen it as a good platform for collaborating on meeting schedules but since it's already up....
If you guys are up for a physical meetup, please confirm this by tomorrow and I'll request for space at ihub.
Cheers,
Alex.
On Wed Apr 6th, 2011 11:15 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
>
>OK, I'll tell Alex to arrange a possible meetup this weekend at iHub.On another note, I know this is slightly off-topic but I'll echo it here:I have been experiencing some problems accessing the etherpad today, presumably because of my internet sucks, so I'll put my comment here today:In the etherpad, oscar raised an issue regarding the adding more member(s) to the board so that the voice of the community is heard.My response: I do not agree with this statement simply because you are implying that the board is not part of the community and therefore it needs an extra person from the community to represent them. The board will comprise of people who come from the community, so I don't see why there is a need "of a voice from the community". Oscar also mentioned the factor of typical Kenyan boardrooms with a person/seat representing the members/community.My response: In my opinion, I don't find it logical to compare us with a typical Kenyan organization
which has meetings in closed doors and therefore necessitating a seat to voice the community. On the other hand, Wikimedia is open. The meetings are open to all. It is only the decision-makers that are the board. This is not an organisation whose board will be made up of consultants who don't have a clue about what is happening in the community: the board is the community! I do not believe in a Wikimedia where there is a veil between the board and the community. And Oscar, you've been complaining about the low turnover of responses on the etherpad. I have received some reports claiming that people can't access the etherpad from their mobile phones, hence the low rate of replies. (Remember that we are in the Global South and mobile internet is ubiquitous :P)You also mentioned that 10 out of 50 people attend our meetups. I agree with you that that is not an impressive number. But we should remember that there are some members who are not interested in
meeting up. (I think it was also mentioned in berlin that a number of editors as well were not interested in having face-to-face meetups)-- So don't worry about this: it's typical Wikipedian nature. Others are not interested in knowing who's the Chairperson of the Chapter. Others don't care about voting or selecting members of the Board. Others might be interested only in going to Nyeri. Or others might not have the fare to make it to the venue. It is important to realise that different people have different needs. So don't expect every Tom, Dick & Harry to be interested in the bylaws. Maybe it's just their character not to be interested in the actual paperwork but rather, they are concerned with fieldwork.Sincerely,
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>t | +254722215101
>f | www.facebook.com/abbasjnr
>s | abbasjnr
>Wikimedia Kenya Member
>
>"Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's our commitment."
>
>Please donate: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate/Now/en
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>
>
>From: oliver_stegen(a)sil.org
>To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 13:14:34 +0300
>Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Fwd: what do you think?
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>Guys,
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>Please stay civil – it’s hard enough to
>agree when talking face to face, let alone electronically.
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>I also had problems entering the pad when
>I tried for the first few times. It’s not everybody’s cup of tea to discuss
>things online – we may need more regular meetings at iHub or suchlike.
>
>On the whole though, I agree that we need
>to concentrate on the bylaws and registration as trust or limited company. How
>shall we go about coming to a consensus which type of registration to follow?
>
>Best,
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>Oliver (aka BT)
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>From:
>wikimediake-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>[mailto:wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Limoke Oscar
>
>Sent: 05 April 2011 11:11
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>To: Wikimedia Kenya .
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>Subject: [Wikimedia Kenya] Fwd:
>what do you think?
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>On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Isaac K. Kosgei <kips8505izo(a)gmail.com>
>wrote:
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>Dear Oscar,
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>About the Etherpad issue you should have explained everything clearly,
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>thanks to stave am getting the password today.
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> Kosgei,
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>I don't mean to be rude but I shared the password long time ago.Maybe
>you don't read your emails carefully.We already have existing bylaws and am not
>sure you have looked at them.We are doing something "simple and
>stupid"...why don't you come to the pad and air the pros and cons of your
>thought?
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>My point to you is Why don't register it as a company limited by
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>Guarantee? ---NOT FOR PROFIT MAKING:::look at it along those lines and
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>if you are OK with that Obadiah and I can assist in drafting the
>
>constitution (MOA and AOA). at least we have managed to go through the
>
>process and successful registered one of that Kind
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>On 05/04/2011, Limoke Oscar <oslimoke(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Guys,
>
>> I am not so happy with this empty talk of you guys.We need to forge ahead
>
>> and focus on the Chapter.
>
>> I shared the etherpad for discusiion of the By-lwas only a fistful of the
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>> "usual susspects" loged in and contributed to the same.So shame
>on you if
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>> you did not log into the same and you have your mouth wide open
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>> chanting-----well my apologies
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>> We need to focus on the bylwas and work on timelines.for instance we need
>to
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>> say like after 14days after sharing the etherpad,the final discussions and
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>> contributions will be deemed binding to the whole Chapter.So lets show
>oour
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>> commitement and discuss the bylaws.its a shame that some of us have never
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>> even read the existing bylaws so it would be very difficult to make a good
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>> contribution....also read from other Chapters and make wise and learned
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>> contributions.....
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>> see
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>> 1. Wikimedia Chapters-
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>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_chapters&diff=0&oldid…
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>> Regards,
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>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com>
>wrote:
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>>
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>>> let me repeat what I said earlier: we do NOT need TSLG to wire
>money into
>
>>> a personal account. They could pay the expenses directly to the
>concerned
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>>> parties.
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>>>
>
>>> And, to answer your question, when we receive a grant, whether it's
>from
>
>>> the government or an institution, the grant is not tax-deductible so
>long
>
>>> as
>
>>> it is being utilised to fulfill a non-profit mission. For instance, if
>you
>
>>> receive a grant to open up an M-Pesa shop, you are supposed to pay tax
>out
>
>>> of it. But in our case, we are non-profit, so we are tax-exempt.
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>>>
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>>> -------------------------------------
>
>>> Abbas Mahmood
>
>>> t | +254722215101
>
>>> f | www.facebook.com/abbasjnr
>
>>> s | abbasjnr
>
>>> Wikimedia Kenya Member
>
>>>
>
>>> "*Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is
>given free
>
>>> access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's our
>commitment."*
>
>>> **
>
>>> Please donate: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate/Now/en
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> ------------------------------
>
>>> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 22:37:11 -0700
>
>>> From: bruceobwari(a)gmail.com
>
>>>
>
>>> To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>
>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
>
>>>
>
>>> First let me say the case of TSL &G offers us opportunity to learn
>, i do
>
>>> echo Abbas sentiments regarding the need to focus on by-laws,having
>
>>> listened
>
>>> to the guy ,it did make lots of sense that if we think of engaging
>others
>
>>> we
>
>>> need to have a formalized engagement ,his being a corporate body it
>was
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>>> crucial . point of correction ,the issue of money being deposited on
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>>> individual account and having people posing as wikimedians was
>extensively
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>>> used as an example to issue how we can run into serious legal issues
>if we
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>>> don't address the issue of formality,
>
>>> On a lighter note, somebody please educate
> me on this ,whats our tax
>
>>> obligations when money is deposited in our accounts ,VAT , income tax,
>pay
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>>> as you earn /deposit ,zero rated tax, have a tax -free day ,won't you!
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>>>
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>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:42 AM, stephen wanjau
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>>> <wanjaustev(a)gmail.com>wrote:
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>>>
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>>> personally,I think we should focus on the bylaws then form some legal
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>>> framework.It was part of the plan anyway.
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The issue of putting up updates on our site -especially when it comes to long ones that need to be documented for future reference - has been raised a couple of times but to no avail.
I'll have an adequate amount of free time from 19th this month so I'll go through our list's archives and put some of the lengthy emails we've had on our site. It's my hope that this will set a presedence of documenting important updates.
Cheers,
Alex.
On Tue Apr 5th, 2011 11:54 AM PDT Isaac K. Kosgei wrote:
>Hi all,
>I am of the opinion that we be posting issues on the site rather than the
>mailing list for easy follow up.
>this has been necessitated by the response on the mailing list, there are
>Discussion topics that should be kept for future reference so that those who
>will join later will have the benefit of following exactly on how the
>chapter started (the Most Notable ones to me the are the pilot updates,
>Bruce thread, the thread on Chapter formation- all this have made to site
>forum). To me the best place for this is the site forum(Hoping we have One)
>
>In that case I propose the following:
>1. Post a discussion topic on the wikimedia kemya site.
>2. After posting you alert members through the mailing list.
>3. The members to reply on the site not the mailing list.
>4. Site moderator to check on the posts to ensure it meets the site
>etiquette/ wiki code of conduct.
>5. If a post does not meet the code of conduct the moderator will alert the
>owner of the discussion post who will inturn review and then re post or
>cancel it all together.
>
>N/B this are my personal opinions and I hope it wont offend any member
>please add more suggestions on how the posting on the site should be done.
>
>
>Isaac K. Kosgei.
>Bachelor of Agribusiness Management
>Egerton University,
>Njoro Kenya.
>(+254727553981)
>www.linkedin.com/in/kipsizoo
>Skype:Kipsizoo
>Twitter:@Kipsizoo
>*"You Must be the Change you wish to see in the world"-Mahatma Ghandi
>*
The issue of putting up updates on our site -especially when it comes to long ones that need to be documented for future reference - has been raised a couple of times but to no avail.
I'll have an adequate amount of free time from 19th this month so I'll go through our list's archives and put some of the lengthy emails we've had on our site. It's my hope that this will set a presedence of documenting important updates.
Cheers,
Alex.
On Tue Apr 5th, 2011 11:54 AM PDT Isaac K. Kosgei wrote:
>Hi all,
>I am of the opinion that we be posting issues on the site rather than the
>mailing list for easy follow up.
>this has been necessitated by the response on the mailing list, there are
>Discussion topics that should be kept for future reference so that those who
>will join later will have the benefit of following exactly on how the
>chapter started (the Most Notable ones to me the are the pilot updates,
>Bruce thread, the thread on Chapter formation- all this have made to site
>forum). To me the best place for this is the site forum(Hoping we have One)
>
>In that case I propose the following:
>1. Post a discussion topic on the wikimedia kemya site.
>2. After posting you alert members through the mailing list.
>3. The members to reply on the site not the mailing list.
>4. Site moderator to check on the posts to ensure it meets the site
>etiquette/ wiki code of conduct.
>5. If a post does not meet the code of conduct the moderator will alert the
>owner of the discussion post who will inturn review and then re post or
>cancel it all together.
>
>N/B this are my personal opinions and I hope it wont offend any member
>please add more suggestions on how the posting on the site should be done.
>
>
>Isaac K. Kosgei.
>Bachelor of Agribusiness Management
>Egerton University,
>Njoro Kenya.
>(+254727553981)
>www.linkedin.com/in/kipsizoo
>Skype:Kipsizoo
>Twitter:@Kipsizoo
>*"You Must be the Change you wish to see in the world"-Mahatma Ghandi
>*
Hi all,
I am of the opinion that we be posting issues on the site rather than the
mailing list for easy follow up.
this has been necessitated by the response on the mailing list, there are
Discussion topics that should be kept for future reference so that those who
will join later will have the benefit of following exactly on how the
chapter started (the Most Notable ones to me the are the pilot updates,
Bruce thread, the thread on Chapter formation- all this have made to site
forum). To me the best place for this is the site forum(Hoping we have One)
In that case I propose the following:
1. Post a discussion topic on the wikimedia kemya site.
2. After posting you alert members through the mailing list.
3. The members to reply on the site not the mailing list.
4. Site moderator to check on the posts to ensure it meets the site
etiquette/ wiki code of conduct.
5. If a post does not meet the code of conduct the moderator will alert the
owner of the discussion post who will inturn review and then re post or
cancel it all together.
N/B this are my personal opinions and I hope it wont offend any member
please add more suggestions on how the posting on the site should be done.
Isaac K. Kosgei.
Bachelor of Agribusiness Management
Egerton University,
Njoro Kenya.
(+254727553981)
www.linkedin.com/in/kipsizoo
Skype:Kipsizoo
Twitter:@Kipsizoo
*"You Must be the Change you wish to see in the world"-Mahatma Ghandi
*
Hi wikimedians,
As Oscar suggested we should look at the
etherpad and discuss the way forward.
The password is wikimediakenya.
Visit
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Jomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture And Technology.
Bsc. Mathematics (*Statistics*) and Computer Science.
Cell:+254 722 238 165
+254 736 429 517
Facebook: www.facebook.com/swanjau
Twitter: www.twitter.com/haha_wanjau
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"*changing how the world works*"
HI ALL! Wow! Personally having completed our pilot one month ago, would want to CONGRATULATE everyone for their dedication and team spirit which led to the success of this project. Good leadership comes from a combination of many things,ability to learn from past mistakes, ability to organize a strong team and much more which our leaders Abbas,Oscar and Steve have shown and KUDOS for that. Even those who are not leaders but go the extra mile to ensure better coordination we SALUTE you! Cheers, LILIAN.
On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 04:30 PDT SAMSON MAOSA wrote:
>Indeed, so far we have come, from just a mere suggestions that was made by
>the google team (Christine Moon, Angie Cantelmi, Dennis Gikunda) and the
>Wikimedia team that somewhere in Purshottam Place, that later was put under
>keen consideration by a team led by Abbas, and now it is almost a dream come
>true that Wikimedia Kenya is fast growing and will hopefully be a chapter
>soon. Congrats to all the members, and let us not stop or give up here.
>After South Africa, I believe we are next and that should be enough to
>encourage us increase our efforts at what we are doing.
>
>FYI,
>
>> BTW -- this might be slightly off-topic, but I'd thought that I'd let you
>> know that I was informed that we arguably have the *most multi-national
>> chapter mailing list* in the Wikimedia community!!!
>>
>
>That makes me very proud of Wikimedia Kenya!!! I was even trying to design
>country-flag templates in Wikimedia Kenya <http://www.wikimedia.or.ke> and
>that is when I realized that I had to do more than what I expected!!! I mean
>Kenya, Tanzania, India, Israel, Switzerland, Germany... Congrats to us.
>
>I was so thrilled in Berlin when I was asked to share the secret of
>> how we run our yet to be Chapter. To my amazement,all the Wikimedia
>> Community admired our style and we got a mention to be exemplified by
>> other chapters!:P,
>> it was a great moment..
>>
>
>We are a World-Class chapter-to-be ;)
>
>
>> I would also like to send my condolences to those who couldn't make it like
>> Samson Maosa. I extend my condolences to the Nyeri team whose laptops were
>> virus-infected.
>
>Thanks Abbas for your condolences.
>
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>__________________________________________________________________________________
>Samson Arosi Maosa,
>Jomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture and Technology,
>Bsc. Electronics and Computer Engineering
>+254750-nine-one-seven-three-zero-five
>*"In this world, everything has been done but suppose we try doing it in a
>different (better) way?"*
>Make someone know what you already know. Join us now at Wikimedia
>Kenya<http://www.wikimedia.or.ke>
HI ALL! Wow! Personally having completed our pilot one month ago, would want to CONGRATULATE everyone for their dedication and team spirit which led to the success of this project. Good leadership comes from a combination of many things,ability to learn from past mistakes, ability to organize a strong team and much more which our leaders Abbas,Oscar and Steve have shown and KUDOS for that. Even those who are not leaders but go the extra mile to ensure better coordination we SALUTE you! Cheers, LILIAN.
On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 04:30 PDT SAMSON MAOSA wrote:
>Indeed, so far we have come, from just a mere suggestions that was made by
>the google team (Christine Moon, Angie Cantelmi, Dennis Gikunda) and the
>Wikimedia team that somewhere in Purshottam Place, that later was put under
>keen consideration by a team led by Abbas, and now it is almost a dream come
>true that Wikimedia Kenya is fast growing and will hopefully be a chapter
>soon. Congrats to all the members, and let us not stop or give up here.
>After South Africa, I believe we are next and that should be enough to
>encourage us increase our efforts at what we are doing.
>
>FYI,
>
>> BTW -- this might be slightly off-topic, but I'd thought that I'd let you
>> know that I was informed that we arguably have the *most multi-national
>> chapter mailing list* in the Wikimedia community!!!
>>
>
>That makes me very proud of Wikimedia Kenya!!! I was even trying to design
>country-flag templates in Wikimedia Kenya <http://www.wikimedia.or.ke> and
>that is when I realized that I had to do more than what I expected!!! I mean
>Kenya, Tanzania, India, Israel, Switzerland, Germany... Congrats to us.
>
>I was so thrilled in Berlin when I was asked to share the secret of
>> how we run our yet to be Chapter. To my amazement,all the Wikimedia
>> Community admired our style and we got a mention to be exemplified by
>> other chapters!:P,
>> it was a great moment..
>>
>
>We are a World-Class chapter-to-be ;)
>
>
>> I would also like to send my condolences to those who couldn't make it like
>> Samson Maosa. I extend my condolences to the Nyeri team whose laptops were
>> virus-infected.
>
>Thanks Abbas for your condolences.
>
>--
>__________________________________________________________________________________
>Samson Arosi Maosa,
>Jomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture and Technology,
>Bsc. Electronics and Computer Engineering
>+254750-nine-one-seven-three-zero-five
>*"In this world, everything has been done but suppose we try doing it in a
>different (better) way?"*
>Make someone know what you already know. Join us now at Wikimedia
>Kenya<http://www.wikimedia.or.ke>
Hello Steve,
I agree that we would require an account becouse at some point we will be asking for grants,donations or something,and other than the foundation,I dont think anybody else would be willing to deposit money in personal account.
At this stage that we are still not a legal entity,I find it tricky to form such a partnership.It is a great idea though.
Regards
Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>I do not agree with the fact that ''money that enters into a personal account must be taxed''. And who said we need money in the first place?? I mean, they don't have to wire us the money: they could directly pay the accommodation and other bills without the money passing into our hands.
>
>Personnally, I'm also skeptical in forming such a partnershp at this stage -- simply because we aren't registered as yet.
>
>Regarding our IDs, let's just say that the schools laid mutual trust in us, since after all, they were the sole beneficiaries and they had nothing to lose. However, this current scenario is more complex, since it is a partnership and usually requires both parties signing an official document, which I don't think we have the capacity to do so.
>
>I remember talking to Sue (the Executive Director of WMF) while I was in Berlin regarding the grants process and she told me that the reason why the Foundation gives out grants to chapters is because they want us to make mistakes and learn from our mistakes, since the foundation is softer, forgiving and has a sense of trust in us. However, when we make a mistake with TSLG, we have the law to answer.
>
>I'm not saying no to this partnership, but neither am I saying yes. I remain skeptical and await to see other reactions.
>
>Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 18:29:07 +0300
>From: wanjaustev(a)gmail.com
>To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
>
>Just expounding on what Bruce just explained.The managing director Of TSLG ,Mr. Arthur Olual main worry is security on our side and his too because his is already a company.
>
>He said that at some time back some guys went to a school and said they were sent by TSLG and then went ahead.
>
>to collect five computers that they said required servicing at 'their station'.luckily the school called him and he told the school administration that nobody has been mandated to collect computers from schools by TSLG!
>
>
>About the money to carry on the project,he said he cannot deposit money into personal accounts because the auditors could quiz the same and its bad governance!Money into a personal account is income and should be taxed.(probably our colleagues who take accounting know what that means)
>
>
>By the same token someone could go out and pose to be a wiki-median and do some harm out there then we would be in trouble with the law.
>
>In fact he asked us how we have been presenting/introducing ourselves at the schools we visited!
>
>
>So I guess that this is a wake up call so that we lay down measures to register as a legal entity.
>
>Cheers,
>
>On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:04 PM, BRANTON OBWARI <bruceobwari(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Steve and i have just met the TSL &G MD
>we had a very
>constructive discussion and among issues that came was the issue of a
>formal engagement in the manner that he gets a formal communication from
> the Foundation ,or rather some official communication from the chapters
> heads i.e Abbas ,Oscar,
>
> He was of the view the earlier we formalize the better coz he
>would be having a meeting with Ministry of Education in the next few
>days and he wanted us to have some representatives in the same meeting.
>
> He also said that the next training for Nyeri teachers was scheduled to
> occur in the next two weeks and was requesting our participation if we
>are formally engaged.
>
> He said we can engage him either by one, training his team and giving them the content for them to for them to install OR by incorporating two members from our team ,
>
> The bone of contention at the moment is the formal engagement so we urge Abbas and Oscar to facilitate that,
>
>
>
> rgds ,
> Steve and Bruce.
>- Show quoted text -
>
>
>
>
>On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:00 PM, BRANTON OBWARI <bruceobwari(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>Steve and i have just met the TSL &G MD
>we had a very constructive discussion and among issues that came was the issue of a formal engagement in the manner that he gets a formal communication from the Foundation ,or rather some official communication from the chapters heads i.e Abbas ,Oscar,
>
>
>
>
> He was of the view the earlier we formalize the better coz he would be having a meeting with Ministry of Education in the next few days and he wanted us to have some representatives in the same meeting.
> He also said that the next training for Nyeri teachers was scheduled to occur in the next two weeks and was requesting our participation if we are formally engaged.
>
>
>
>
> He said we can engage him either by one, training his team and giving them the content
>On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:04 AM, oscar okwero <oscar_okwero(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
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>
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>
>
>for a new entrant am impressed by that,lets do more to engage our members.
>
>--- On Sat, 4/2/11, Alex Wafula <xelawafs(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Alex Wafula <xelawafs(a)yahoo.com>
>
>Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
>To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 5:22 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>Hey Branton,
>
>Seems like a great idea. So when do you plan to meetup with these guys next and get more details on this.
>
>Cheers,
>Alex.
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Hello,
When I proposed this project, I couldn't imagine it would be a success. I was just checking the archives, and I remember that, back in late 2010 i called for a meetup so as to suggest this project but we had to cancel it due to lack of quorum. But then, somehow, the disillusionment faded and people became more and more enthusiastic in participating in this project.
i also remember back then when we were only four of us (Oscar, Oliver, Dennis and myself) at our first meetup at Java -- and we wanted to start up a chapter. From the four initial members, we have grown exponentially within 6 months to around 50 members on this list. I am really proud of us! Really!
>From a boys' only team to almost a 75%:25% male:female chapter. I really feel that I need to highlight some of these flashbacks so that we (or at least I) can realize and appreciate where we've come from.
I would like to congratulate you all for the success of this project, and most importantly, I would like to congratulate on-the-ground team members who sacrificed their time off work, off internships and off university and went to these schools in order to ensure that students in Nyeri, Kakamega and Mombasa could have free access to Wikipedia.
I would also like to send my condolences to those who couldn't make it like Samson Maosa. I extend my condolences to the Nyeri team whose laptops were virus-infected.
But, as David hinted in his most recent email, this is not the end. This was just a pilot. For those of you who were with me since the start of this project, you might remember that we had a list of 10 regions. So we still have a lot of work ahead of us. And I think that we all agree that we need to design an offline version of Wikipedia that is custom-made for Kenyan students. I therefore hope that this project will not end here.
FYI- One of the Foundation's strategic priorities lies in investing in mobile Wikipedia and offline products. Speaking of offline products, has anyone of you ever heard of WikiReader? It's a device that you could use to access Wikipedia without internet connectivity and which you could update newer articles whenever you connect it to the internet. It goes for just $100 on Amazon. Just thought I'd let you know of this incredible device.
BTW -- this might be slightly off-topic, but I'd thought that I'd let you know that I was informed that we arguably have the most multi-national chapter mailing list in the Wikimedia community!!!
Warm regards,
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