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Harsh Kothari

15 Jan 15 Jan

9:59 a.m.

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For Gujarati I can help. Thanks Harsh On Jan 15, 2014 2:27 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hoi, I blogged about calendars. The problem I face is that I am adding statements to the calendars in use in India.. I have worked on the Nepali and the Bengali calendar and, I find that in the English Wikipedia some months are merged into one article. What I want to know is if these months exactly are at the same time or not. Many calendars have special days. It would make sense to have an item for them as well. I assume that many of the Indian Wikipedias have articles for such events. It will help when they are known to be part of a specific calendar.. Are there people who can help me with this ? Thanks, GerardM _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

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Vickram Crishna

12:09 p.m.

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Hi Gerard Calendars around the world follow a combination of solar and lunar cycles: periodic mismatches between the two have given rise to different ways of keeping track of the days. India also has more than one system in regular use, although as Pranav mentions, only one vernacular calendar is official. It should be possible to devise algorithms that generate the equivalent date corresponding to a different system, but they need to be, of course, sensitive to the periodic 'corrections' inserted to synchronise with the passing seasons. For the Gregorian calendar (with which you are familiar) in use in most places, this adjustment is popularly thought of as only the leap year, but there are other fine adjustments at longer intervals. Hope this helps Vickram On 15 Jan 2014 15:30, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Hoi Harsh, One obvious thing is to make sure that all the items used in Wikidata have labels in the Gujarati language. This allows you to find them and to see them wherever they are used. I have started adding statements like this months follows / is followed by that month.. Given that some articles list months from the same calendar, this can only be right when all aspects of a month are exactly the same (think number of days, the number it is given in the year etc). As I do not know all this I have asked for help. What would be useful to know is if a calendar is used on a specific Wikipedia (and in a certain language). When other calendars are used, it makes sense for dates to be visible in the calendars used in Wikipedias. I assume that it is possible to convert to and from the "common" calendar. I do know very little about calendars; I only use one. So when you/we find that we cannot express facts about a calendar, we may need more properties to express this.. Are there any ? I will gladly help in getting these properties requested and created. Finally, Wikipedia and by inference Wikidata is about the sum of all knowledge. It makes sense for us to know about any and all calendars. Thanks, GerardM On 15 January 2014 09:59, Harsh Kothari <harshkothari410(a)gmail.com> wrote:

For Gujarati I can help. Thanks Harsh On Jan 15, 2014 2:27 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hoi, I blogged about calendars. The problem I face is that I am adding statements to the calendars in use in India.. I have worked on the Nepali and the Bengali calendar and, I find that in the English Wikipedia some months are merged into one article. What I want to know is if these months exactly are at the same time or not. Many calendars have special days. It would make sense to have an item for them as well. I assume that many of the Indian Wikipedias have articles for such events. It will help when they are known to be part of a specific calendar.. Are there people who can help me with this ? Thanks, GerardM _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

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sibi kanagaraj

11:05 a.m.

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Hi Gerard , I think I can help with Tamil . But , I am not sure what needs to be done :) I understand that its something with calendar . But nothing more I am able to grasp . -Sibi On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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Hoi, I blogged about calendars. The problem I face is that I am adding statements to the calendars in use in India.. I have worked on the Nepali and the Bengali calendar and, I find that in the English Wikipedia some months are merged into one article. What I want to know is if these months exactly are at the same time or not. Many calendars have special days. It would make sense to have an item for them as well. I assume that many of the Indian Wikipedias have articles for such events. It will help when they are known to be part of a specific calendar.. Are there people who can help me with this ? Thanks, GerardM _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

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రహ్మానుద్దీన్ షేక్

5:53 p.m.

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Hi Gerard, As far as I know some sects of Kannadigas also follow the 60 year cycle of Telugu calendar. On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 10:17 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Hoi, 'There is a "Tamil calendar" like there is also a Malayalam, Nepali and Bengali calendar. What I have done is I have added the months. It would help when you check it out [1]. You can appreciate that I do not speak any of the languages from India :) My advise is to first add your #babel info on your Wikidata profile. This makes life easier :) it shows you the labels in the language that you know.You can modify it from the one on my profile [2] I am currently adding the sixty years that exist in the Telugu calendar. As I understand things, these years start on different dates compared with other calendars. As a consequence these sixty items are specific to the Telugu calendar. This means that for other languages these 60 items may need to be created as well. Really soon now, we will be able to state how many days exist in a month ..For the Indian calendars it is much better when you add such information.The same is true for the English names; in the English Wikipedia the names are often written in a spelling that may help with pronunciation but are not written in this way by anyone I know. So please check this as well and modify to make the names more real. Obviously when you know a name for a year, a month in any of the other Indian languages please add these as well. What you can do as well is add the Tamil name for this article [3] in Wikidata. When you do you can find it in the Tamil extended search. Thanks, GerardM [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Q1293283 ]2] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:GerardM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanchipuram_sari On 15 January 2014 11:05, sibi kanagaraj <civil.sibi1(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Gerard , I think I can help with Tamil . But , I am not sure what needs to be done :) I understand that its something with calendar . But nothing more I am able to grasp . -Sibi On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hoi, I blogged about calendars. The problem I face is that I am adding statements to the calendars in use in India.. I have worked on the Nepali and the Bengali calendar and, I find that in the English Wikipedia some months are merged into one article. What I want to know is if these months exactly are at the same time or not. Many calendars have special days. It would make sense to have an item for them as well. I assume that many of the Indian Wikipedias have articles for such events. It will help when they are known to be part of a specific calendar.. Are there people who can help me with this ? Thanks, GerardM _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

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ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ)

12:11 p.m.

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A great topic, I am particularly interested in! I have worked some solid 3-4 months to compute almost all calendars of Indian traditions. Part of my ambition is to create a page in every Indian Wiki for each year of the CE era, along with the corresponding calendars in each Indian almanacs. This will involve a lot of references, computation and 'wiki'fication of which, the first two parts are almost completed. Let me keep a track of this thread. May we even form up a small project group on this? On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas <dsvyas(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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As you doubt Gerard, though the month names are same or similar in different languages/cultures/calendars, months not always start and end at the same time. Mainly in soouthern calendars, including the Gujarati and Maharashtrian ones, months end on the New Moon day, while in Northern calendars, months end on the Full moon day. This difference really make months different, and thus many festivals though celebrated on the same day throughout India, are actually marked in different months on religious calendars. E.g. Janmashtami is Shravan Vad (or Krishna paksh) ashtami in Gujarati calendar, but in northern calendars, it is Bhadrapad krishnapaksh Ashtami. Also, Kartik or Kartak is the first month of year, while in other calendars, maharashtra and northern, Chaitra is the first month of year. Regards, Dhaval On 15 Jan 2014 08:57, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hoi, I blogged about calendars. The problem I face is that I am adding statements to the calendars in use in India.. I have worked on the Nepali and the Bengali calendar and, I find that in the English Wikipedia some months are merged into one article. What I want to know is if these months exactly are at the same time or not. Many calendars have special days. It would make sense to have an item for them as well. I assume that many of the Indian Wikipedias have articles for such events. It will help when they are known to be part of a specific calendar.. Are there people who can help me with this ? Thanks, GerardM _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

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Dhaval S. Vyas

12:22 p.m.

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Count me in Vishwa, as Calendars have always been my topic of interest! On 15 Jan 2014 11:11, "ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ)" <viswaprabha(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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A great topic, I am particularly interested in! I have worked some solid 3-4 months to compute almost all calendars of Indian traditions. Part of my ambition is to create a page in every Indian Wiki for each year of the CE era, along with the corresponding calendars in each Indian almanacs. This will involve a lot of references, computation and 'wiki'fication of which, the first two parts are almost completed. Let me keep a track of this thread. May we even form up a small project group on this? On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas <dsvyas(a)gmail.com> wrote:

As you doubt Gerard, though the month names are same or similar in different languages/cultures/calendars, months not always start and end at the same time. Mainly in soouthern calendars, including the Gujarati and Maharashtrian ones, months end on the New Moon day, while in Northern calendars, months end on the Full moon day. This difference really make months different, and thus many festivals though celebrated on the same day throughout India, are actually marked in different months on religious calendars. E.g. Janmashtami is Shravan Vad (or Krishna paksh) ashtami in Gujarati calendar, but in northern calendars, it is Bhadrapad krishnapaksh Ashtami. Also, Kartik or Kartak is the first month of year, while in other calendars, maharashtra and northern, Chaitra is the first month of year. Regards, Dhaval On 15 Jan 2014 08:57, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hoi, I blogged about calendars. The problem I face is that I am adding statements to the calendars in use in India.. I have worked on the Nepali and the Bengali calendar and, I find that in the English Wikipedia some months are merged into one article. What I want to know is if these months exactly are at the same time or not. Many calendars have special days. It would make sense to have an item for them as well. I assume that many of the Indian Wikipedias have articles for such events. It will help when they are known to be part of a specific calendar.. Are there people who can help me with this ? Thanks, GerardM _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

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Gerard Meijssen

7:20 p.m.

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Hoi, I have now fixed the entries for the months of the Bengalese calendar as well. This [1] is what the Reasonator looks like in the Dutch language (it falls back to English). Please change the "ne" in the URL to the language code for *YOUR* language. This [2] is what it looks like in Wikidata. In Wikidata you can easily add labels in *YOUR* language. Obviously Nepalese is the most relevant language for this calendar but it makes sense to have labels in any and all of the Indian languages. If there are any issues or problems, please let me know. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?lang=nl&q=Q15627529<http://tool… [2] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15627529<http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q484… On 15 January 2014 12:50, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Hoi, I have fixed the entries for the months of the Nepalese calendar. This [1] is what the Reasonator looks like in the Dutch language (it falls back to English). Please change the "ne" in the URL to the language code for *YOUR* language. This [2] is what it looks like in Wikidata. In Wikidata you can easily add labels in *YOUR* language. Obviously Nepalese is the most relevant language for this calendar but it makes sense to have labels in any and all of the Indian languages. Please consider what more information we want to add. I have created several new items to separate months from other calendars. These items will become "Wikimedia list articles". Please check if existing articles about these months are about all months or about a month in a specific calendar. The next calendar I am going to tackle is the Bengalese, If there are any issues or problems, please let me know. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?lang=nl&q=Q4848673 [2] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4848673 On 15 January 2014 12:22, Dhaval S. Vyas <dsvyas(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Count me in Vishwa, as Calendars have always been my topic of interest! On 15 Jan 2014 11:11, "ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ)" <viswaprabha(a)gmail.com> wrote:

A great topic, I am particularly interested in! I have worked some solid 3-4 months to compute almost all calendars of Indian traditions. Part of my ambition is to create a page in every Indian Wiki for each year of the CE era, along with the corresponding calendars in each Indian almanacs. This will involve a lot of references, computation and 'wiki'fication of which, the first two parts are almost completed. Let me keep a track of this thread. May we even form up a small project group on this? On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas <dsvyas(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

As you doubt Gerard, though the month names are same or similar in different languages/cultures/calendars, months not always start and end at the same time. Mainly in soouthern calendars, including the Gujarati and Maharashtrian ones, months end on the New Moon day, while in Northern calendars, months end on the Full moon day. This difference really make months different, and thus many festivals though celebrated on the same day throughout India, are actually marked in different months on religious calendars. E.g. Janmashtami is Shravan Vad (or Krishna paksh) ashtami in Gujarati calendar, but in northern calendars, it is Bhadrapad krishnapaksh Ashtami. Also, Kartik or Kartak is the first month of year, while in other calendars, maharashtra and northern, Chaitra is the first month of year. Regards, Dhaval On 15 Jan 2014 08:57, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hoi, > I blogged about calendars. The problem I face is that I am adding > statements to the calendars in use in India.. I have worked on the Nepali > and the Bengali calendar and, I find that in the English Wikipedia some > months are merged into one article. > > What I want to know is if these months exactly are at the same time or > not. Many calendars have special days. It would make sense to have an item > for them as well. I assume that many of the Indian Wikipedias have articles > for such events. It will help when they are known to be part of a specific > calendar.. > > Are there people who can help me with this ? > Thanks, > GerardM > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

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