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31 Dec 2011 31 Dec '11

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Great to see so much enthusiasm. Pradeep mentioned a Mumbai Photowalk earlier this year (CST to Cooperage) - suggest a different part of Mumbai is picked for the next one (with so much enthusiasm, I hope to see another soon!). For details on the previous one, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Takes_Mumbai Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:28:23 +0530 From: karthikndr(a)gmail.com To: wikimedia-in-mum(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-in-mum] Fwd: [WMIN-Members] "Wikipedia Takes Mumbai" - Is someone doing this already? I can help you Anshuman. -- Thanks and Regards,Karthik Nadar. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Kundan Amitabh <kundanamitabh(a)gmail.com> Date: Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-in-mum] [WMIN-Members] "Wikipedia Takes Mumbai" - Is someone doing this already? To: anshuman.fotedar(a)gmail.com Cc: Pranav Curumsey <curumsey(a)gmail.com>om>, wmin-members(a)googlegroups.com, "Mailing list for Wikimedians / Wikipedians in Mumbai, India" <wikimedia-in-mum(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Hi Ansuman, I don't think anybody from Mumbai team is currently working on this.If you are interested, you must organise it. On 30 December 2011 23:32, Anshuman Fotedar <anshuman.fotedar(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi All I am a new member who registered at Wiki Conference Mumbai in November. I have been in touch with some of the people I met. Some of them are involved in organising the Wiki Takes Ahmedabad (http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Takes_Ahmedabad) event scheduled for Jan 3, about which Tinu posted earlier - http://groups.google.com/group/wmin-members/browse_thread/thread/f23ff51f6e…. I have talked to a few other attendees from Mumbai who would love to organise or aid with organising such an event in Mumbai. Is somebody already working on this? If so, we should talk! Cheers Anshuman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Wikimedia Chapter, India Member's Group. To post to this group, send email to wmin-members(a)googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wmin-members+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wmin-members?hl=en?hl=en -- Best Regards. Kundan AmitabhAng India Technologieswww.angindia.co CH-2/52, Kendriya Vihar, Sector-11, Kharghar, Navi Mumbai, Mumbai-410210, INDIA ====================== 9768884444 / 9869478444 ====================== "Let's Keep Our World Green for Our Children's Future! Please don't print this email unless it's really necessary" _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-in-mum mailing list Wikimedia-in-mum(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-mum _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-in-mum mailing list Wikimedia-in-mum(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-mum _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-in-mum mailing list Wikimedia-in-mum(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-mum

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Noopur

31 Dec 31 Dec

12:20 p.m.

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This is killer stuff! Anshuman and Nikita had told me they are planning this :) I think its a great thing to do for Wikipedia birthday. Can the Mumbai SIG chair also help please? Anshuman I think you should update Karthik on what we have discussed so far and get his suggestions too :) I'll get you a logo and other things in a few days. I was wondering if the chapter can give a microgrant for this (1-2k) and that will provide incentive for participants. On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 4:45 PM, <wheredevelsdare(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

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Great to see so much enthusiasm. Pradeep mentioned a Mumbai Photowalk earlier this year (CST to Cooperage) - suggest a different part of Mumbai is picked for the next one (with so much enthusiasm, I hope to see another soon!). For details on the previous one, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Takes_Mumbai ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:28:23 +0530 From: karthikndr(a)gmail.com To: wikimedia-in-mum(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-in-mum] Fwd: [WMIN-Members] "Wikipedia Takes Mumbai" - Is someone doing this already? I can help you Anshuman. -- Thanks and Regards, *Karthik Nadar.* ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Kundan Amitabh* <kundanamitabh(a)gmail.com> Date: Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-in-mum] [WMIN-Members] "Wikipedia Takes Mumbai" - Is someone doing this already? To: anshuman.fotedar(a)gmail.com Cc: Pranav Curumsey <curumsey(a)gmail.com>om>, wmin-members(a)googlegroups.com, "Mailing list for Wikimedians / Wikipedians in Mumbai, India" < wikimedia-in-mum(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Hi Ansuman, I don't think anybody from Mumbai team is currently working on this. If you are interested, you must organise it. On 30 December 2011 23:32, Anshuman Fotedar <anshuman.fotedar(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: Hi All I am a new member who registered at Wiki Conference Mumbai in November. I have been in touch with some of the people I met. Some of them are involved in organising the Wiki Takes Ahmedabad (http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Takes_Ahmedabad<http://en.wiki…) event scheduled for Jan 3, about which Tinu posted earlier - http://groups.google.com/group/wmin-members/browse_thread/thread/f23ff51f6e… . I have talked to a few other attendees from Mumbai who would love to organise or aid with organising such an event in Mumbai. Is somebody already working on this? If so, we should talk! Cheers Anshuman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Wikimedia Chapter, India Member's Group. To post to this group, send email to wmin-members(a)googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wmin-members+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wmin-members?hl=en?hl=en -- Best Regards. Kundan Amitabh Ang India Technologies www.angindia.co CH-2/52, Kendriya Vihar, Sector-11, Kharghar, Navi Mumbai, Mumbai-410210, INDIA ====================== 9768884444 / 9869478444 ====================== "Let's Keep Our World Green for Our Children's Future! Please don't print this email unless it's really necessary" _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-in-mum mailing list Wikimedia-in-mum(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-mum _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-in-mum mailing list Wikimedia-in-mum(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-mum _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-in-mum mailing list Wikimedia-in-mum(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-mum _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

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Pradeep Mohandas

4:50 p.m.

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hi, The idea for the need of micro-grant here is worrying. I don't think this incentive is needed nor should be given at this point in time. We're trying to make the photographs on Commons much better. The incentive is that the best photographs will adorn the Wikipedia article that will link back to the person who took the picture. It's a huge incentive for a budding photographer. It is something he/she can point to. The introduction of money into this equation, makes it competitive and removes the fun that these events can be, IMHO. As Mehul suggested in this thread, we've tried to get together with a photography group that goes on photowalks every Sunday morning. User:AroundTheGlobe had managed to get some photos donated vide Flickr groups. I think very few photography groups have taken the effort to inform the group about copyright and how to protect their copyrights. Also, there is a lack of understanding of Creative Commons and what it means to be donating the image to CC-BY or CC-BY-SA license. The photographers should understand this. Another misconception is that donation of the photograph does not equal its use on the Wikipedia page forever. A better image might come out and this might be replaced. Or the photograph may be removed. In these circumstances, the relevance to the article is paramount when used on Wikipedia. However, Commons could also become sourcing grounds for journalists and media houses just like Flickr. I think this is also something that we should pitch to the photographers, if we approach them. Apologies for the longish email, Pradeep User:Prad2609 On 31 December 2011 16:50, Noopur <noopur.raval(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Great to see so much enthusiasm. Pradeep mentioned a Mumbai Photowalk earlier this year (CST to Cooperage) - suggest a different part of Mumbai is picked for the next one (with so much enthusiasm, I hope to see another soon!). For details on the previous one, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Takes_Mumbai ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:28:23 +0530 From: karthikndr(a)gmail.com To: wikimedia-in-mum(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-in-mum] Fwd: [WMIN-Members] "Wikipedia Takes Mumbai" - Is someone doing this already? I can help you Anshuman. -- Thanks and Regards, *Karthik Nadar.* ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Kundan Amitabh* <kundanamitabh(a)gmail.com> Date: Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-in-mum] [WMIN-Members] "Wikipedia Takes Mumbai" - Is someone doing this already? To: anshuman.fotedar(a)gmail.com Cc: Pranav Curumsey <curumsey(a)gmail.com>om>, wmin-members(a)googlegroups.com, "Mailing list for Wikimedians / Wikipedians in Mumbai, India" < wikimedia-in-mum(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Hi Ansuman, I don't think anybody from Mumbai team is currently working on this. If you are interested, you must organise it. On 30 December 2011 23:32, Anshuman Fotedar <anshuman.fotedar(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: Hi All I am a new member who registered at Wiki Conference Mumbai in November. I have been in touch with some of the people I met. Some of them are involved in organising the Wiki Takes Ahmedabad (http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Takes_Ahmedabad<http://en.wiki…) event scheduled for Jan 3, about which Tinu posted earlier - http://groups.google.com/group/wmin-members/browse_thread/thread/f23ff51f6e… . I have talked to a few other attendees from Mumbai who would love to organise or aid with organising such an event in Mumbai. Is somebody already working on this? If so, we should talk! Cheers Anshuman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Wikimedia Chapter, India Member's Group. To post to this group, send email to wmin-members(a)googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wmin-members+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wmin-members?hl=en?hl=en -- Best Regards. Kundan Amitabh Ang India Technologies www.angindia.co CH-2/52, Kendriya Vihar, Sector-11, Kharghar, Navi Mumbai, Mumbai-410210, INDIA ====================== 9768884444 / 9869478444 ====================== "Let's Keep Our World Green for Our Children's Future! Please don't print this email unless it's really necessary" _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-in-mum mailing list Wikimedia-in-mum(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-mum _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-in-mum mailing list Wikimedia-in-mum(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-mum _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-in-mum mailing list Wikimedia-in-mum(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-mum _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

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Srikanth Ramakrishnan

5:26 p.m.

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I agree with Mr. Mohandas [not Pai] above. Incentives for Wiki takes Cities is a big NO NO. And as for Flickr donation, I'm all for it. During WP taketh Chennai, we had a ton of Flickr donations, which Logic and Ganesh uploaded. Infact, we had a mini backlog which is why I uploaded six. If we have Flickr or Picasa donations this time too, I don't minding sitting and sorting before uploading, provided it happens before Jan 17th. -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on February 12th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore Aliens invaded Tamil Nadu, left their Spacship and now it is a Toll Plaza. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IVRCL-Vijayamangalam-Toll-Plaza.JPG

Anirudh Bhati

6:09 p.m.

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Hi all, Though I agree in principle that the inclusion of money in any open-source movement disrupts the eco-system of volunteers. However, the small prize-model for encouraging contributions is benign, with offers potentially greater benefits. For example, Wikimedia Indonesia's project Cipta<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Cipta>generated thousands of articles and hundreds of thousands of contributions in local languages of the Indonesia. The project ran throughout the year and incentivized editing through a prize-model. I think it is okay to distribute small prizes once in a while to get some publicity and to try and get the attention of potential long-term contributors. Funds channeled through volunteers and to support volunteer programs can be effectively utilized through such programs. Volunteers are also cash-efficient and directly responsible to the community. Yours sincerely, Anirudh Bhati +855 975 529 803 Skype: anirudhsbh On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < parakara.ghoda(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Srikanth Ramakrishnan

7:16 p.m.

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Noopur

7:19 p.m.

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These strong resistances and perhaps the lack of having tried ever keeps our outreach to mailing lists and drafts. Souvenirs, like Wiki takes Manila, make a lasting impact. However, this was just a suggestion, those motivated (read 10 people from every city) will turn up anyway. :) Happy new year! On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < parakara.ghoda(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Personally, I'm strongly against incentives of any kind for scavenger hunts. A contest, like the Tamil Media one is fine, but not Wiki takes cities. -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on February 12th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore Aliens invaded Tamil Nadu, left their Spacship and now it is a Toll Plaza. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IVRCL-Vijayamangalam-Toll-Plaza.JPG _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

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Srikanth Ramakrishnan

7:39 p.m.

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Noopur

7:48 p.m.

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I am sorry but incidents happen. Good and bad. I don't see why they should become landmarks for any decision, etched in stone. However, this thread was started to contribute positively to this initiative. Let's not start anything that is not constructive. :) I had suggested they do this event, I will still back them up where needed. On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < parakara.ghoda(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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It's not about not having tried. We all know what happens when Wiki and money are involved. For those who don't, take a trip back to 2008 and find out what happened to Nichalp. -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on February 12th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore Aliens invaded Tamil Nadu, left their Spacship and now it is a Toll Plaza. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IVRCL-Vijayamangalam-Toll-Plaza.JPG _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

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Bala Jeyaraman

7:57 p.m.

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FWIW, the prize/incentive model for "Wiki takes X" has been done before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Takes_Montreal But if you are really going the prize/incentive route, you need to be prepared to answer a lot of questions, and provide results to justify involving money . As a coordinator of the the ongoing TamilWiki Media Contest, i have been facing similar questions. At the end of the day, the event needs to produce tangible results for wikimedia projects in form of usable files uploaded to commons.

Anirudh Bhati

8:03 p.m.

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On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Bala Jeyaraman <sodabottle(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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FWIW, the prize/incentive model for "Wiki takes X" has been done before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Takes_Montreal

And in the Philippines too.

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But if you are really going the prize/incentive route, you need to be prepared to answer a lot of questions, and provide results to justify involving money . As a coordinator of the the ongoing TamilWiki Media Contest, i have been facing similar questions. At the end of the day, the event needs to produce tangible results for wikimedia projects in form of usable files uploaded to commons.

Agreed. Thank you, Bala. anirudh

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Pradeep Mohandas

8:11 p.m.

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hi, I think we need to do a lot more activities and experiment with many more formats and understand incentives needed much better before trying the money incentive. That said, we hope to have a meetup, but it seems the entire city might be running the Mumbai Marathon. So, let's see. Pradeep Handheld On 01/01/2012, Anirudh Bhati <anirudhsbh(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Bala Jeyaraman <sodabottle(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

FWIW, the prize/incentive model for "Wiki takes X" has been done before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Takes_Montreal

And in the Philippines too.

Agreed. Thank you, Bala. anirudh

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Srikanth Ramakrishnan

8:27 p.m.

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Noopur

1 Jan 1 Jan

5:40 p.m.

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I think this sums up what I was trying to convey: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2010/post_mo… Again, it is just for perspective. On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < parakara.ghoda(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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If it's done before and has been successful, then go ahead. I'm nobody to force my viewpoint on others. But do remember, if one person gets paid, others may ask. Older contributors may leave. Alternatively, while content will increase, contributors will go down. Cheers. -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on February 12th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore Aliens invaded Tamil Nadu, left their Spacship and now it is a Toll Plaza. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IVRCL-Vijayamangalam-Toll-Plaza.JPG _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

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Srikanth Ramakrishnan

6:01 p.m.

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Noopur, go for it. Write to the Chapter, write to the Foundation, if needed, I guess Wikipedians who can may even donate to it. -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on February 12th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore Aliens invaded Tamil Nadu, left their Spacship and now it is a Toll Plaza. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IVRCL-Vijayamangalam-Toll-Plaza.JPG

Anshuman Fotedar

6:08 p.m.

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Thank you everyone for all the support. There is a lot of useful info in here that I am going through right now [having been AWOL for the better part of two days. Hope that's alright ;-) ] Back on the case now. -Anshuman On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Noopur <noopur.raval(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Anshuman I think you should update Karthik on what we have discussed so far and get his suggestions too :)

I'm on it.

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