Worth checking out for the Chapter? And the Trust? Maybe both together?
"Datawind, the inventor of world's cheapest tablet computer – UbiSlate – has joined hands with NASSCOM Foundation to help bridge the digital divide in India. Partnership focuses to announce a contest targeting the non-profit network across India, wherein 10 of them will stand an opportunity to win 20 Aakash tablets/UbiSlates each, to improve their operations and programme implementation, said a press release. The contest will open between December 2011 and January 2012. How will the winning streak be decided? Each of the participating organizations will have to showcase how best the UbiSlate will be used for socio-economic challenges such as education, health and livelihoods. NASSCOM Foundation definitely sees potential for the information and communication technologies sector playing a crucial role in the process of social change."
http://www.ciol.com/News/News/News-Reports/NASSCOM-contest-winners-to-get-Aa...
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.org wrote:
Worth checking out for the Chapter? And the Trust? Maybe both together?
Wouldn't existing work for the WikiReader or, the OLPC project fit in terms of enabling an offline wikipedia ?
Awesome Idea. Sounds right up our alley. I can help provide some support around the content end but someone else will need to drive the project.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.orgwrote:
Worth checking out for the Chapter? And the Trust? Maybe both together?
"Datawind, the inventor of world's cheapest tablet computer – UbiSlate – has joined hands with NASSCOM Foundation to help bridge the digital divide in India. Partnership focuses to announce a contest targeting the non-profit network across India, wherein 10 of them will stand an opportunity to win 20 Aakash tablets/UbiSlates each, to improve their operations and programme implementation, said a press release. The contest will open between December 2011 and January 2012. How will the winning streak be decided? Each of the participating organizations will have to showcase how best the UbiSlate will be used for socio-economic challenges such as education, health and livelihoods. NASSCOM Foundation definitely sees potential for the information and communication technologies sector playing a crucial role in the process of social change."
http://www.ciol.com/News/News/News-Reports/NASSCOM-contest-winners-to-get-Aa...
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
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On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.orgwrote:
Worth checking out for the Chapter? And the Trust? Maybe both together?
"Datawind, the inventor of world's cheapest tablet computer – UbiSlate – has joined hands with NASSCOM Foundation to help bridge the digital divide in India. Partnership focuses to announce a contest targeting the non-profit network across India, wherein 10 of them will stand an opportunity to win 20 Aakash tablets/UbiSlates each, to improve their operations and programme implementation, said a press release. The contest will open between December 2011 and January 2012. How will the winning streak be decided? Each of the participating organizations will have to showcase how best the UbiSlate will be used for socio-economic challenges such as education, health and livelihoods. NASSCOM Foundation definitely sees potential for the information and communication technologies sector playing a crucial role in the process of social change."
http://www.ciol.com/News/News/News-Reports/NASSCOM-contest-winners-to-get-Aa...
Suneet Singh Tuli, the founder of Datawind, spoke about this at TEDxGateway in Mumbai on Sunday, and expressed a personal interested in providing free Aakash tablets for 'developmental' purposes. (He's verbally committed 500 free tablets to another Indian non-profit I know).
He lives in Canada; it may be worth talking to him too. http://tedxgateway.com/speaker-section.aspx?strid=MTc=
Also, seconding Gautam's idea: can the chapter and trust speak to each other and figure out who has the drive, inclination, ability and capacity to take this forward? (Working together never a bad idea, imho).
Cheers Bishakha
We're on it. Jessie Wild (who manages offline projects at WMF) and I had a meeting a few days ago with the persons in charge of the Akash initiative at the GoI's Ministry of HRD. I've briefed the Chapter EC on this.
The meeting was very promising. There are a bunch of things that need to be done to take it forward - but there is initial interest from the GoI.
I need a few more days to share a proper update to the community list. Need a little bit of time because I need to tape up a few things and make sure I send out a note that accurately reflects the opportunity and the requirements. (I'm in some exploratory discussions at this stage.)
Having said that, there are 3 big challenges we will face
a) Need to establish a solid base of acceptable quality articles of Indian relevance. Ashwin: Thanks for expressing interest on this. b) Need to establish a reasonable set of acceptable quality articles in Indic languages (since Akash's remit is pan-India.) c) Need to build a customised offline interface for wikipedia offline.
...and, yes, we did see and play with the tablet and it's bloody impressive at the price!!!
hisham
On Dec 1, 2011, at 10:34 AM, Bishakha Datta wrote:
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.org wrote: Worth checking out for the Chapter? And the Trust? Maybe both together?
"Datawind, the inventor of world's cheapest tablet computer – UbiSlate – has joined hands with NASSCOM Foundation to help bridge the digital divide in India. Partnership focuses to announce a contest targeting the non-profit network across India, wherein 10 of them will stand an opportunity to win 20 Aakash tablets/UbiSlates each, to improve their operations and programme implementation, said a press release. The contest will open between December 2011 and January 2012. How will the winning streak be decided? Each of the participating organizations will have to showcase how best the UbiSlate will be used for socio-economic challenges such as education, health and livelihoods. NASSCOM Foundation definitely sees potential for the information and communication technologies sector playing a crucial role in the process of social change."
http://www.ciol.com/News/News/News-Reports/NASSCOM-contest-winners-to-get-Aa...
Suneet Singh Tuli, the founder of Datawind, spoke about this at TEDxGateway in Mumbai on Sunday, and expressed a personal interested in providing free Aakash tablets for 'developmental' purposes. (He's verbally committed 500 free tablets to another Indian non-profit I know).
He lives in Canada; it may be worth talking to him too. http://tedxgateway.com/speaker-section.aspx?strid=MTc=
Also, seconding Gautam's idea: can the chapter and trust speak to each other and figure out who has the drive, inclination, ability and capacity to take this forward? (Working together never a bad idea, imho).
Cheers Bishakha
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On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Hisham hisham@wikimedia.org wrote:
b) Need to establish a reasonable set of acceptable quality articles in Indic languages (since Akash's remit is pan-India.)
AFAIK, Akash is based on android and Indic language rendering support is not available so far. Anybody tried indic languages in Akash?
-Santhosh
Aakash is basically an Android tablet. So if we create an offline version of Wikipedia for all Android devices, [India specific], I guess that should do? Right?
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Santhosh Thottingal < santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Hisham hisham@wikimedia.org wrote:
b) Need to establish a reasonable set of acceptable quality articles in Indic languages (since Akash's remit is pan-India.)
AFAIK, Akash is based on android and Indic language rendering support is not available so far. Anybody tried indic languages in Akash?
-Santhosh
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On Dec 1, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:
Aakash is basically an Android tablet. So if we create an offline version of Wikipedia for all Android devices, [India specific], I guess that should do? Right?
Yes. A version of Aakash is on Android. It is probable that we will need to create an Android Wikipedia offline version.
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Santhosh Thottingal santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Hisham hisham@wikimedia.org wrote:
b) Need to establish a reasonable set of acceptable quality articles in Indic languages (since Akash's remit is pan-India.)
AFAIK, Akash is based on android and Indic language rendering support is not available so far. Anybody tried indic languages in Akash?
hisham
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:28, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < parakara.ghoda@gmail.com> wrote:
Aakash is basically an Android tablet. So if we create an offline version of Wikipedia for all Android devices, [India specific], I guess that should do? Right?
This version of Aakash uses Android- the one that Datawind is making for the first pilot run (100,000 devices).
The next version of Aakash will *likely* use Android too. There is no guarantee that Datawind will make that version- the price point will be determined by a government bidding process and multiple manufacturers (all those who pass the technical evaluation) will be invited to manufacture and sell tablets at that price point- on a "rate card contract" system.
There are efforts underway to port Debian to the tablet, as some folks at the IITs/MHRD aren't too happy with the reliance on Google. The current version does not have the Android Market- despite talks with Google. This shouldn't be a problem for Wikipedia-offline for the tablet though, since that will be FOSS.
Jessie has spoken to the professor from IITB (Kannan Moudgalya) who is on the standing committee of the National Mission on Education through ICT (under which the Aakash project, among others, falls). She has also spoken to the CEO of one of the other manufacturers- Datawind is only one of many companies that are bidding for this project- they won the bid for the pilot run. I have not been following this project for the past two weeks or so (since the WikiConference)- the bidding for the second version of Aakash was on at the time. I'm not aware of what the current status is. I'll be visiting IITB during Scipy this weekend, so I'll know more then.
About offline-Wikipedia, work has already commenced on porting Kiwix to Android (3 weeks ago by Emmanuel, IIRC).
tl;dr: The foundation is talking to folks behind the Aakash tablet.
@Hisham, Jessie: Any updates on getting the sample tablets from the manufacturer?
Santhosh,
I had spoken with one of the tablet manufacturers with Jessie. The current Akash OS is indeed Android based so Indic language support is poor/unavailable.
Debian based tablets are being discussed but the manufacturer indicated that it was at least a year+ down the line.
With best regards, Alolita
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Santhosh Thottingal < santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Hisham hisham@wikimedia.org wrote:
b) Need to establish a reasonable set of acceptable quality articles in Indic languages (since Akash's remit is pan-India.)
AFAIK, Akash is based on android and Indic language rendering support is not available so far. Anybody tried indic languages in Akash?
-Santhosh
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On 1 December 2011 13:53, Alolita Sharma alolita.sharma@gmail.com wrote:
Debian based tablets are being discussed but the manufacturer indicated that it was at least a year+ down the line.
Wow , is it based on Maemo[1] by any chance ? Or is it one of the smartphone[2] software they use?
1. http://maemo.org 2. http://wiki.debian.org/Smartphone
Regards, Pavithran
Hi all,
Just a word of caution here.
Lift and ship approach will be a disaster. So any article that goes into Kiwix, must be reviewed / tagged for legal compliance (Maps, others!), be of decent quality and avoid controversial topics(Caste topics Hell no). We must also check for copyvio images etc. It requires fair amount of reviewing on the content side. When it comes to Indic, spell check, language quality also matters. Just sharing some points we considered to bring a quality offline version of Tamil. We were taken by scale of content copyediting work that such an offline project requires. I am sure WikiProject:India on enwp has no more volunteers than any Indic wikipedia(atleast comparable to Tamil) and I seriously don't think we can do justice for something like this in 60 days.
Regards, Srikanth L
I agree with you. 60 days is too less. It would take atleast 6-7 months of editing and working to bring out such articles. --~~~~
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik.lak@gmail.comwrote:
Hi all,
Just a word of caution here.
Lift and ship approach will be a disaster. So any article that goes into Kiwix, must be reviewed / tagged for legal compliance (Maps, others!), be of decent quality and avoid controversial topics(Caste topics Hell no). We must also check for copyvio images etc. It requires fair amount of reviewing on the content side. When it comes to Indic, spell check, language quality also matters. Just sharing some points we considered to bring a quality offline version of Tamil. We were taken by scale of content copyediting work that such an offline project requires. *I am sure WikiProject:India on enwp has no more volunteers than any Indic wikipedia(atleast comparable to Tamil) and I seriously don't think we can do justice for something like this in 60 days*.
Regards, Srikanth L
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I concur heartily. There are no quick fixes. First of all we need topic lists. We need to decide a balanced 500 topic list for India comprising primarily India articles. This will be the base of any Offline effort.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < parakara.ghoda@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with you. 60 days is too less. It would take atleast 6-7 months of editing and working to bring out such articles. --~~~~
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik.lak@gmail.comwrote:
Hi all,
Just a word of caution here.
Lift and ship approach will be a disaster. So any article that goes into Kiwix, must be reviewed / tagged for legal compliance (Maps, others!), be of decent quality and avoid controversial topics(Caste topics Hell no). We must also check for copyvio images etc. It requires fair amount of reviewing on the content side. When it comes to Indic, spell check, language quality also matters. Just sharing some points we considered to bring a quality offline version of Tamil. We were taken by scale of content copyediting work that such an offline project requires. *I am sure WikiProject:India on enwp has no more volunteers than any Indic wikipedia(atleast comparable to Tamil) and I seriously don't think we can do justice for something like this in 60 days*.
Regards, Srikanth L
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-- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
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hi,
Since this is going to happen for the first time, I agree with Srikanth L, that it is best to give ourselves a few months. I think this will also give sufficient time for the technologies to be tested out.
I also think we should take the benefit of the lessons learnt by other NGOs in the country who've done stuff like this. Someone suggested OLPC folks. We might be interested in approaching such folks as well.
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Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:19:58 +0530 From: ashwin.baindur@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An Offline Wikipedia for the Aakaash Tablet?
I concur heartily. There are no quick fixes. First of all we need topic lists. We need to decide a balanced 500 topic list for India comprising primarily India articles. This will be the base of any Offline effort.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.ghoda@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with you. 60 days is too less. It would take atleast 6-7 months of editing and working to bring out such articles.--~~~~
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik.lak@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Just a word of caution here. Lift and ship approach will be a disaster. So any article that goes into Kiwix, must be reviewed / tagged for legal compliance (Maps, others!), be of decent quality and avoid controversial topics(Caste topics Hell no). We must also check for copyvio images etc. It requires fair amount of reviewing on the content side. When it comes to Indic, spell check, language quality also matters. Just sharing some points we considered to bring a quality offline version of Tamil. We were taken by scale of content copyediting work that such an offline project requires. I am sure WikiProject:India on enwp has no more volunteers than any Indic wikipedia(atleast comparable to Tamil) and I seriously don't think we can do justice for something like this in 60 days.
Regards,Srikanth L
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On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 20:17, Pradeep Mohandas <pradeep.mohandas@hotmail.com
wrote:
Someone suggested OLPC folks. We might be interested in approaching such folks as well.
I imagine this is happening too. I saw an OLPC being demoed at the WikiConference (by Harriet Vidyasagar, I think?).
Hey Everyone!
I am so excited about the content of this email chain! There have been huge advances in the offline work for India of late.
Quick background: I know many of you know, and Hisham mentioned it earlier, but I am involved with the offline WIkipedia projects around the world for WMF, so I have an ok idea about what options are available and who uses our information (like OLPC or SOS Children's Village or Camara).
For this work, I think it's _imperative_ to get a high-quality, Indic version available for mass-distribution. But while the full, all-encompassing offline version might take 6-7 months to develop, there are bite-sized pieces we can concretely work on so we can start at least pushing some information out. For example, if we focus on "Geography" first, we could perhaps get a really good "Geography" package set-up and ready to go by the next pilot, in order to at least get a package out there - something to have a presence within the distributions. The storage space on the Aakash tablet and other low-cost devices is minimal, so a limited content package is actually fine, in many ways.
In the meantime, we can be working on more and more additions, which could be distributed in-mass as time unfolds. Then people could basically have a "library" of content available for their perusal.
Thoughts on this? It helps prevent a complete gap in time for our execution: we have an AWESOME encyclopedia already available (that's why we have almost 500M people reading it every month!), and it would be really sad, I think, to sit on such a resource! One good place to start in terms of identifying content is to leverage the list of articles use for the Malayalam Offline edition - that probably would get us a good step of the way there in terms of which articles are India-relevant and worthy of inclusion.
I have a lot more I can say about this, but will stop myself here for now :) Jessie
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Aditya Sengupta apsengupta@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 20:17, Pradeep Mohandas < pradeep.mohandas@hotmail.com> wrote:
Someone suggested OLPC folks. We might be interested in approaching such folks as well.
I imagine this is happening too. I saw an OLPC being demoed at the WikiConference (by Harriet Vidyasagar, I think?).
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On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 5:34 AM, Jessie Wild jwild@wikimedia.org wrote:
For this work, I think it's _imperative_ to get a high-quality, Indic version available for mass-distribution. But while the full, all-encompassing offline version might take 6-7 months to develop, there are bite-sized pieces we can concretely work on so we can start at least pushing some information out. For example, if we focus on "Geography" first, we could perhaps get a really good "Geography" package set-up and ready to go by the next pilot, in order to at least get a package out there - something to have a presence within the distributions. The storage space on the Aakash tablet and other low-cost devices is minimal, so a limited content package is actually fine, in many ways.
The version of Android available on the tablet could be a hindrance to display/render/input of Indic.
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:12 AM, sankarshan foss.mailinglists@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 5:34 AM, Jessie Wild jwild@wikimedia.org wrote:
For this work, I think it's _imperative_ to get a high-quality, Indic version available for mass-distribution. But while the full, all-encompassing offline version might take 6-7 months to develop, there
are
bite-sized pieces we can concretely work on so we can start at least
pushing
some information out. For example, if we focus on "Geography" first, we could perhaps get a really good "Geography" package set-up and ready to
go
by the next pilot, in order to at least get a package out there -
something
to have a presence within the distributions. The storage space on the
Aakash
tablet and other low-cost devices is minimal, so a limited content
package
is actually fine, in many ways.
The version of Android available on the tablet could be a hindrance to display/render/input of Indic.
Samsung Ace and few other models of smart phones are able to render most
spoken Indic languages. Hopefully, other vendors will also start to support indic soon and Akash tablet will have enough computing power to deal with indic while supporting all other functionality.
Cheers Arjuna Rao Chavala
CAn someone get in touch with the manufacturer, of the Aakash and find out which version it runs? AFAIK, 2.3+ supports Indic scripts. --~~~~
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Arjuna Rao Chavala arjunaraoc@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:12 AM, sankarshan foss.mailinglists@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 5:34 AM, Jessie Wild jwild@wikimedia.org wrote:
For this work, I think it's _imperative_ to get a high-quality, Indic version available for mass-distribution. But while the full, all-encompassing offline version might take 6-7 months to develop,
there are
bite-sized pieces we can concretely work on so we can start at least
pushing
some information out. For example, if we focus on "Geography" first, we could perhaps get a really good "Geography" package set-up and ready to
go
by the next pilot, in order to at least get a package out there -
something
to have a presence within the distributions. The storage space on the
Aakash
tablet and other low-cost devices is minimal, so a limited content
package
is actually fine, in many ways.
The version of Android available on the tablet could be a hindrance to display/render/input of Indic.
Samsung Ace and few other models of smart phones are able to render most
spoken Indic languages. Hopefully, other vendors will also start to support indic soon and Akash tablet will have enough computing power to deal with indic while supporting all other functionality.
Cheers Arjuna Rao Chavala
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On 2 December 2011 15:13, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.ghoda@gmail.com wrote:
AFAIK, 2.3+ supports Indic scripts.
I'm running 2.3.6 and it doesn't, sadly.
Or does it depend from manufacturer to manufacturer? Since each make has a different front end? --~~~~
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.org wrote:
On 2 December 2011 15:13, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.ghoda@gmail.com wrote:
AFAIK, 2.3+ supports Indic scripts.
I'm running 2.3.6 and it doesn't, sadly.
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On 2 December 2011 15:22, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.ghoda@gmail.com wrote:
Or does it depend from manufacturer to manufacturer? Since each make has a different front end?
I have a vanilla install - I'm assuming manufacturers have forks or add-ons that get Indic Unicode working.
Android still doesn't support Indic rendering, it's only Samsung Ace which supports, but rest don't. So, something to be done from the developers. Hope, soon this would be solved in the forthcoming versions of Androids.
On 2 December 2011 15:24, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.org wrote:
On 2 December 2011 15:22, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.ghoda@gmail.com wrote:
Or does it depend from manufacturer to manufacturer? Since each make has a different front end?
I have a vanilla install - I'm assuming manufacturers have forks or add-ons that get Indic Unicode working.
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If only Ace supports it, I'm assuming they would have to release the code for that. https://opensource.samsung.com/index.jsp;jsessionid=8C92D0B55573A09D0D7EFC4E... is where all the source drops are, and I see that the code for the Ace has been made available. Can someone who understands enough about Android to check the diffs check?
The tablet we were shown in Mumbai by WishTel was running Android 2.2.
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Yuvi Panda yuvipanda@gmail.com wrote:
If only Ace supports it, I'm assuming they would have to release the code for that. https://opensource.samsung.com/index.jsp;jsessionid=8C92D0B55573A09D0D7EFC4E... is where all the source drops are, and I see that the code for the Ace has been made available. Can someone who understands enough about Android to check the diffs check?
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On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohandas@hotmail.com wrote:
I also think we should take the benefit of the lessons learnt by other NGOs in the country who've done stuff like this. Someone suggested OLPC folks. We might be interested in approaching such folks as well.
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Wikislices
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