On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Hari Prasad Nadig <hpnadig(a)gmail.com> wrote: Steps need to be implemented is much bigger than a list. Newly formed Wikimedia India foundation need to Focus on this angle. Technology Development for Complex Script Languages such as Indic is still a neglected field in wikipedia. We have seen many posts about this in this list. What wikimedia India foundation need to do is to organise Developer meetups, Pushing Indic Specific development projects in Programmes like Google Summer of Code of media wiki, Increase the participation of students in wiki specific software projects, Support innovative ideas with financial support etc. New Foundation need to focus on building a strategy towards this. It will be good to start a list with a discussion on these grounds may be in Wikimedia.in domain, if it is not approved in lists.wikimedia.org Anivar Aravind

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Siebrand Mazeland <s.mazeland(a)xs4all.nl>wrote;wrote: Thanks for the response. I respect your view. However, I still feel that an India specific list could gather more interest among developers from India. mediawiki-i18n list is probably the closest to the purpose, but I'd still look forward to hearing more opinions and thoughts. Just so that it is clear, the intentions are definitely not to cocoon, or work in separation. The idea is instead to have a specific list that could drive more specific discussion, and thereby gathering more people who'd be willing to spare their time on issues specific to Indian languages. I think a fair volume of this crowd will also be on the other lists for everything else (and they'll need to). We'll need as many people on board as we can to solve various issues the Indian language projects are facing. Regards, -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net | http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig

Hoi, Many if not most of the issues that bedevil Indian languages are not specific to Indian languages. On my blog and on conferences I have been talking about these issues frequently. By discussing this on a India specific list, you remove everything that is relevant from the eyes of those people like me who do not only care about India but also care about similar problems elsewhere. Did you know that languages from Africa who use the Latin script use characters that you do not find in Latin fonts ?? Did you know that while it is wonderful that there is now an extension that supports input methods for Indic languages, it would be preferable to have its functionality in the MediaWiki core ?? I do not want to lose track on these issues so I URGE you all not to separate yourself. It will make *all of us* less effective. Thanks, GerardM http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/search/label/India On 31 January 2011 12:36, Hari Prasad Nadig <hpnadig(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, I think currently there is no need to create a separate list for Indian language developments. In developers viewpoint all software development issues would be universal. It is only in the presentation things differ. If any issue related to any of Indian language needs attention we can discuss it at mediawiki-i18n<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-i1… that list has very low traffic). There are more developers available at that list, they also will join to solve the problems. On 31 January 2011 16:58, Hari Prasad Nadig &lt;hpnadig(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: -- Junaid P V http://junaidpv.in

I tend to agree with Gerard's views & Siebrand's points. Since there are many lists , Yet another list will be a waste . There are many lists for Indic Specific issues such as Indlinux list, which can be also used to connect with indic developers Anivar On 1/31/11, praveenp &lt;me.praveen(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: -- "[It is not] possible to distinguish between 'numerical' and 'nonnumerical' algorithms, as if numbers were somehow different from other kinds of precise information." - Donald Knuth

Hi Mayur and others, Sorry to be blunt ­ this reply is not specifically aimed at you, but at the group thinking that I see before me -, but there are a few things that will get your troubles out of the way as soon as possible. "Getting a room" and separating yourself from most of the MediaWiki and Wikimedia developers is not one of them ­ this is true for most open source development topics, not only for Indic language support in MediaWiki and within Wikimedia. Talking about issues without naming the players also does not resolve issues. Expecting the Wikimedia Foundation (or its developers) to be the answer to all your prayers does not resolve issues. You will be disappointed. Do take responsibility for what you need; act upon it! So what does get issues resolved? 1. Report issues in bugzilla. Please start now! Issues that have not been documented do not exist. Good bug reports consist of 4 parts. A description of the issue, steps to reproduce, description of observed behaviour and description of expected behaviour. If needed, add one or more screenshots and links: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org 2. Fix the issues and submit the patches. As said, issues can be found in Bugzilla with the i18n tag: http://is.gd/p82m8V 3. Get more i18n centric committers from India, or more i18n committers in general. To become a committer, do a lot of what is described in 2. Once you have done that, go to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access and get even more work as a reward for a job well done. Really good at what you do for MediaWiki and Wikimedia? There may be a job for you at the Wikimedia Foundation. More than a handful of formerly volunteer developers have come before you. Siebrand Van: mayur &lt;mayurdce(a)gmail.com&gt; Beantwoorden - Aan: "Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia." &lt;wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Datum: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:43:52 +0530 Aan: "Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia." &lt;wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Onderwerp: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Developers list for India specific discussions Hi, I am also agree with Mr. hari prasad point of view because a separate developer list for indic languages will help these languages project to resolve any technical issue easily because most of them are facing the same problems, In coming time Indian languages wii projects are aspected to grow fast that's what wiki media foundation want so a separate developer list will help these smaller project to get their bugs resolved easily. Thank you and regards Mayur