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Gautam John

26 Aug 2011 26 Aug '11

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Shiju Alex

26 Aug 26 Aug

2:55 a.m.

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Can't we use the existing Wikisources (available in different languages including English) for the same? Or, Gautham, are you proposing something else? Shiju On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org>wrote;wrote:

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So here's a question - given that there is much content that is out of copyright in India but not necessarily in other parts of the world, is there any sense in looking to create an Indian Wikisource for content that is out of copyright here? Thank you. Best, Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

Sreejith K.

2:59 a.m.

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Currently Wikipedia projects are hosted in US and all media files uploaded to these projects should be copyright free in the source country of origin and also in US. If we need to upload media files out of copyright in India but still copyrighted in US, I am afraid, the servers need to be hosted in India. - Sreejith K. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org>wrote;wrote:

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Gautam John

3:08 a.m.

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Shiju and Sreejith:

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Sreejith's point is what I was wondering about. Is there value in this? Something that the Chapter might consider? Thank you. Best, Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html

Shiju Alex

3:22 a.m.

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Sreejith's point is what I was wondering about. Is there value in this? Something that the Chapter might consider?

So what you propose is not a new project, but to have servers in India for the projects with India related content? Infact most of the projects, including commons and meta, have India related content. I am not sure how much this will help. But do we have servers outside US now? On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org>wrote;wrote: > Shiju and Sreejith: > > > Currently Wikipedia projects are hosted in US and all media files > uploaded > > to these projects should be copyright free in the source country of > origin > > and also in US. > > If we need to upload media files out of copyright in India but still > > copyrighted in US, I am afraid, the servers need to be hosted in India.

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Sreejith's point is what I was wondering about. Is there value in this? Something that the Chapter might consider?

> Thank you. > > Best, > > Gautam > ________ > http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >

Gautam John

3:23 a.m.

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On 26 August 2011 12:52, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Shiju Alex

3:27 a.m.

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Specifically a WikiSource server of sorts, hosted in India, exclusively for content that is out of copyright in India only.

As far as I know, "*the content that is that is out of copyright in India now* "can be uploaded to the existing wikisources. Can you cite some examples for which this is not possible? On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org>wrote;wrote:

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On 26 August 2011 12:52, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com> wrote:

So what you propose is not a new project, but to have servers in India

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the projects with India related content? Infact most of the projects, including commons and meta, have India related content. I am not sure how much this will help. But do we have servers outside US now?

Not for India related content, Shiju. Specifically a WikiSource server of sorts, hosted in India, exclusively for content that is out of copyright in India only. Thank you. Best, Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

Gautam John

3:33 a.m.

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On 26 August 2011 12:57, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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As far as I know, "the content that is that is out of copyright in India now "can be uploaded to the existing wikisources.

Citing Sreejith above. "Currently Wikipedia projects are hosted in US and all media files uploaded to these projects should be copyright free in the source country of origin and also in US." Also: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Copyright_policy "The copyright laws applicable to Wikisource are primarily those of the United States of America, where the physical Wikimedia servers are located. The United States is not obliged to extend copyright beyond what it would be in the author's own country, and virtually all countries have copyrights that last for the author's life plus some number of years." I don't have a specific example, Shiju. Was thinking out aloud. Thank you. Best, Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html

Ashwin Baindur

3:41 a.m.

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Gautam, any idea what happened to that blanket public domain extension plan of Govt of India which was posted some months back? Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org>wrote;wrote:

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On 26 August 2011 12:57, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com> wrote:

As far as I know, "the content that is that is out of copyright in India

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Gautam John

3:43 a.m.

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On 26 August 2011 13:11, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Gautam, any idea what happened to that blanket public domain extension plan of Govt of India which was posted some months back?

Pranesh, is ahem, working on it. Thank you. Best, Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html

John Vandenberg

3:38 a.m.

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Wikisource already has a "Commonwealth copyright wikisource" it is called Wikilivres, and it is hosted in Canada. http://www.wikilivres.info/ On that website you will find many examples of works which are illegal to distribute on US servers. Whenever English Wikisource finds a work which is illegal in the US, but legal in Canada, it is moved to Wikilivres. Wikilivres is currently paid for by a Wikisource administrator [[user:Yann]]. -- John Vandenberg

Gautam John

3:42 a.m.

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On 26 August 2011 13:08, John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Wikisource already has a "Commonwealth copyright wikisource" it is called Wikilivres, and it is hosted in Canada. On that website you will find many examples of works which are illegal to distribute on US servers. Whenever English Wikisource finds a work which is illegal in the US, but legal in Canada, it is moved to Wikilivres.

Thank you, John. Of course, I can see how this can be a never ending set of legal tests - illegal in USA and Canada but legal in India (where you can replace India with any other locale) then host on Indian server. Wondering if there is a better way! And, if Commons can at least search the meta data from this Canadian archive and possible future other archives. Best, Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html

Yann Forget

3:48 a.m.

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Hello, 2011/8/26 Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org>rg>:

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On 26 August 2011 13:08, John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote:

AFAIK, all what is PD in India is also PD in Canada, but not the opposite. Canadian law says that what is PD elsewhere is also PD in Canada (law of shorter term). Canadian law is 50 years pma, while Indian law is 60 years pma, except for photographs.

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Wondering if there is a better way! And, if Commons can at least search the meta data from this Canadian archive and possible future other archives. Best, Gautam

Regards, Yann

Gautam John

3:52 a.m.

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On 26 August 2011 13:18, Yann Forget <yannfo(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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In which case, it's a problem that has mostly been solved with http://www.wikilivres.info/ :) Thank you. Best, Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html

Yann Forget

4:04 a.m.

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Hello, 2011/8/26 Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org>rg>:

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On 26 August 2011 13:18, Yann Forget <yannfo(a)gmail.com> wrote:

In which case, it's a problem that has mostly been solved with http://www.wikilivres.info/ :)

Yeah. ;o) Actually I am looking for some people and/or organisation to take over the project, as I have no time and money to continue it myself.

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Thank you. Best, Gautam

Best regards, Yann

Gautam John

4:09 a.m.

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On 26 August 2011 13:34, Yann Forget <yannfo(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Actually I am looking for some people and/or organisation to take over the project, as I have no time and money to continue it myself.

Yann, I don't know what it entails but perhaps it is something the Chapter might consider? Thank you. Best, Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html

Hari Prasad Nadig

4:26 a.m.

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Yann Forget <yannfo(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Hello, 2011/8/26 Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org>rg>:

On 26 August 2011 13:18, Yann Forget <yannfo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > AFAIK, all what is PD in India is also PD in Canada, but not the

opposite.

Canadian law says that what is PD elsewhere is also PD in Canada (law of shorter term). Canadian law is 50 years pma, while Indian law is 60 years pma, except for photographs.

In which case, it's a problem that has mostly been solved with http://www.wikilivres.info/ :)

Yeah. ;o) Actually I am looking for some people and/or organisation to take over the project, as I have no time and money to continue it myself.

ha ha :-) Can't imagine how you're able to manage it now with everything else that you've been doing. -- Hari Prasad Nadig

Yann Forget

8 Sep 8 Sep

3:24 a.m.

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Hello, For your information, Wikilivres hosting service provider received a letter from Gallimard, a leading French publisher. See http://www.wikilivres.info/wiki/File:Injonction_de_Gallimard.pdf This letter says that major French ISPs have been asked to restrained access to a list of pages. Then the hosting service provider sent me a mail saying that "terms of services have been violated", and that there are "monitoring" the site. In addition, the letter sent to French ISPs is one year old, and the restriction has never been applied by any provider, according to the tests I have made. However these restrictions should have been done "within one month", according to this letter. Actually there is nothing in French law which demands ISP to restrict access to content which are not in the public domain in France. AFAIK no terms of service was violated, and I've asked the ISP for clarification. Gallimard issued a similar threath to Wikisource last year, after which some texts were deleted by OFFICE action, and later restored after I sent a counter-notice. There was no news from Gallimard after that. This is to mention that copyright has to be taken seriously in this project. Best regards, Yann 2011/8/26 John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com>om>:

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Gautam John

3:51 a.m.

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Hi Yann: Thanks much for this. It's nice to know that ISPs are the same the world over and do more than they are asked to do. *sigh* Thank you. Best, Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html On 8 September 2011 12:54, Yann Forget <yannfo(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Vickram Crishna

8 a.m.

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On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org> wrote:

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Hi Yann: Thanks much for this. It's nice to know that ISPs are the same the world over and do more than they are asked to do. *sigh*

More to the point, the kind of action initiated by Gallimard, exceeding the limits of the law and banking on other's ignorance of the law (ie FUD) is seen very often in India, although not so much by corporate action (but that is not unknown either). In India, we are far more likely to see this sort of thing from government offices, also preying on people's ignorance of the law (including ISPs etc). The situation is made far more complicated by loose terms employed in the laws and rules pertaining to those laws, especially regarding intermediaries. If put to a vote, I would want Wikipedia (and Wikipedians, of course) to stand fast against all these kinds of pressures in India, by employing the kind of firm responses Yann describes. The price of freedom cannot be freedom itself.

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On 8 September 2011 12:54, Yann Forget <yannfo(a)gmail.com> wrote:

project.

Best regards, Yann 2011/8/26 John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com>om>: > Wikisource already has a "Commonwealth copyright wikisource" > > it is called Wikilivres, and it is hosted in Canada. > > http://www.wikilivres.info/ > > On that website you will find many examples of works which are illegal > to distribute on US servers. > > Whenever English Wikisource finds a work which is illegal in the US, > but legal in Canada, it is moved to Wikilivres. > > Wikilivres is currently paid for by a Wikisource administrator

[[user:Yann]].

-- John Vandenberg

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John Vandenberg

8:29 a.m.

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On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Vickram Crishna <vvcrishna(a)radiophony.com> wrote:

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On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org> wrote:

Hi Yann: Thanks much for this. It's nice to know that ISPs are the same the world over and do more than they are asked to do. *sigh*

It is sad to hear your government is doing this. I find that it is useful to use a term like "copyfraud" to describe incorrect copyright claims by people who should know better. This term has been translated or adopted into quite a few other languages, and is gaining in "power". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyfraud -- John Vandenberg

Gautam John

15 Sep 15 Sep

3 a.m.

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Hi All: A quick update on this - it appears to be a little complex for the Chapter for multiple reasons: 1. Importance : How important is this to Indian Wikimedians? Is it a real and serious problem faced? Or is it something that is nice to have but not essential? Could we do better work if we had one? 2. WMF-WMIN : Essentially, we will have to check with the WMF if this is something they are okay with us funding/building (seeing as how the grant money, for now, comes from them and that we use their trademark in our registered name). 3. Partners : Assuming we do find someone to partner, how do we support them and mitigate liability on both side. Thank you. Best, Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html

John Vandenberg

26 Aug 26 Aug

3:41 a.m.

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Specifically a WikiSource server of sorts, hosted in India, exclusively for content that is out of copyright in India only.

As far as I know, "the content that is that is out of copyright in India now "can be uploaded to the existing wikisources. Can you cite some examples for which this is not possible?

The best example is Gandhi Many of his works, and translations of them, are not public domain in the United States. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Mohandas_K._Gandhi http://www.wikilivres.info/wiki/Mohandas_K._Gandhi -- John Vandenberg

Shiju Alex

4:51 a.m.

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In this case, much content that reside in many Indic language wikisources, few images in Wikimedia Commons, and may be some works in English wikisource are also against US copyright law. So how can we overcome this issue? I think this issue is applicable to more countries, not only India. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Specifically a WikiSource server > >> of sorts, hosted in India, exclusively for content that is out of > >> copyright in India only. > > > > As far as I know, "the content that is that is out of copyright in India > now > > "can be uploaded to the existing wikisources. > > > > Can you cite some examples for which this is not possible?

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Gautam John

4:53 a.m.

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On 26 August 2011 14:21, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of the country. - Gautam

Shiju Alex

5:14 a.m.

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By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of the country.

This is not limited to Wikisource. Wikimedia Commons is definitely in the list, and may be some other projects also. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org>wrote;wrote: > On 26 August 2011 14:21, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > In this case, much content that reside in many Indic language > wikisources, > > few images in Wikimedia Commons, and may be some works in English > wikisource > > are also against US copyright law. So how can we overcome this issue? > > I think this issue is applicable to more countries, not only India.

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By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of the country.

> - Gautam > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >

Gautam John

5:23 a.m.

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True. Worth exploring? Thank you. Best, Gautam (handheld) On Aug 26, 2011 2:46 PM, "Shiju Alex" <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of the country.

This is not limited to Wikisource. Wikimedia Commons is definitely in the list, and may be some other projects also. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org wrote: > On 26 August 2011 14:21, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > In this case, much content that reside in many Indic language > wikisources, > > few images in Wikimedia Commons, and may be some works in English > wikisource > > are also against US copyright law. So how can we overcome this issue? > > I think this issue is applicable to more countries, not only India.

By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of the country.

Yann Forget

7:42 a.m.

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2011/8/26 Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com>om>:

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By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of the country.

This is not limited to Wikisource. Wikimedia Commons is definitely in the list, and may be some other projects also.

Yes, right. Wikilivres hosts images which cannot be hosted on Commons due to copyright restriction. Yann

Arjuna Rao Chavala

8:12 a.m.

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of

the country.

This is not limited to Wikisource. Wikimedia Commons is definitely in the list, and may be some other projects also.

Surya Prakash

12:10 p.m.

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Good conversation. Very helpful to me to practice copy-right laws. Go on guys. :) *$U®¥∩* http://goo.gl/RoMyo.com <http://FirefoxSurya.blogspot.com> http://about.me/suryaceg 2011/8/26 Arjuna Rao Chavala <arjunaraoc(a)gmail.com>

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of

the country.

This is not limited to Wikisource. Wikimedia Commons is definitely in the list, and may be some other projects also.

The advantage of separately hosted Wikisource is that the artefacts are self contained and can be used readily. Photographic media will be mainly useful, when they are embedded in an article. May be non WMF projects can use the same. Unfortunately, this leads to fragmentation in the sense there is no one source for the sum of human knowledge. Cheers Arjun _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

Vickram Crishna

28 Aug 28 Aug

11:10 a.m.

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Arjuna Rao Chavala <arjunaraoc(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of

the country.

This is not limited to Wikisource. Wikimedia Commons is definitely in the list, and may be some other projects also.

Unfortunately, this leads to fragmentation in the sense there is no one source for the sum of human knowledge.

Well, that was the point of the TRIPS agreement, was it not? Were information, knowledge, truly 'free', we might be seeing some very interesting alterations in the balance of the way things get done. The purpose of TRIPS was to maintain the status quo. -- Vickram Fool On The Hill <http://communicall.wordpress.com>

Anirudh Bhati

26 Aug 26 Aug

3:41 a.m.

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I think it's a great idea! Alternatively, we could pool in resources with chapters / communities in regions which have minimal copyright restrictions so that they can legally host the content on their websites which will be accessible around the world. I would suggest jurisdictions which comply with the minimum requirements of the TRIPS Convention. I believe that would be author's life + 25 years for less developed countries and author's life + 50 years for other countries including Hong Kong. Copyright protection for literary works in India extends to life + 60 years. [As a sidenote: There are countries where copyright legislation is non-existent, e.g., Lao PR. The Wikimedia Foundation may not wish that their trademarks be used to facilitate copyright infringements in other territories, therefore an endeavour in these countries could be supported by an individual or community-run with no links to the Wikimedia Foundation.] Yours sincerely, Anirudh Bhati +855 975 529 803 Skype: anirudhsbh On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org>wrote;wrote:

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On 26 August 2011 12:52, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com> wrote:

So what you propose is not a new project, but to have servers in India

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Gautam John

5:24 a.m.

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Very good points, Anirudh. Thank you. Best, Gautam (handheld) On Aug 26, 2011 1:11 PM, "Anirudh Bhati" <anirudhsbh(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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+ 25 years for less developed countries and author's life + 50 years for other countries including Hong Kong. Copyright protection for literary works in India extends to life + 60 years. [As a sidenote: There are countries where copyright legislation is non-existent, e.g., Lao PR. The Wikimedia Foundation may not wish that their trademarks be used to facilitate copyright infringements in other territories, therefore an endeavour in these countries could be supported

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an individual or community-run with no links to the Wikimedia Foundation.] Yours sincerely, Anirudh Bhati +855 975 529 803 Skype: anirudhsbh On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org wrote: > On 26 August 2011 12:52, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > So what you propose is not a new project, but to have servers in India > for > > the projects with India related content? Infact most of the projects, > > including commons and meta, have India related content. > > I am not sure how much this will help. But do we have servers outside

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> > now? > > Not for India related content, Shiju. Specifically a WikiSource server > of sorts, hosted in India, exclusively for content that is out of > copyright in India only. > > Thank you. > > Best, > > Gautam > ________ > http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >

BalaSundaraRaman

3:59 a.m.

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But do we have servers outside US now?

IIRC, we had mirror servers hosted by Yahoo! in South Korea. Not sure if we still have them. - Sundar "That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted." - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture

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________________________________ From: Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com> To: Wikimedia India Community list <wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource Sreejith's point is what I was wondering about. Is there value in

this? Something that the Chapter might consider?

So what you propose is not a new project, but to have servers in India for the projects with India related content? Infact most of the projects, including commons and meta, have India related content. I am not sure how much this will help. But do we have servers outside US now? On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org> wrote: Shiju and Sreejith: > > >> Currently Wikipedia projects are hosted in US and all media files uploaded >> to these projects should be copyright free in the source country of origin >> and also in US. >> If we need to upload media files out of copyright in India but still >> copyrighted in US, I am afraid, the servers need to be hosted in India. > >Sreejith's point is what I was wondering about. Is there value in

this? Something that the Chapter might consider?

> >Thank you. > >Best, > >Gautam >________ >http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html > >_______________________________________________ >Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

John Vandenberg

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org> wrote:

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Shiju and Sreejith:

Sreejith's point is what I was wondering about. Is there value in this? Something that the Chapter might consider?

I believe that either WM Canada or WM India should do this, as these countries have the most useful copyright systems for our objectives. I think that all Australian works which are public domain in Australia (but not public domain in the United States) are also public domain in India and Canada. We need to check this with lawyers. Wherever this new 'Wikisource' is located, the chapter needs to be careful to ensure it maintains the high standards of copyright compliance that Wikisource achieves. -- John Vandenberg

Gautam John

3:30 a.m.

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On 26 August 2011 12:57, John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Wherever this new 'Wikisource' is located, the chapter needs to be careful to ensure it maintains the high standards of copyright compliance that Wikisource achieves.

Indeed! Thank you, John Best, Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html

Hari Prasad Nadig

4:20 a.m.

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:57 PM, John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org> wrote:

Shiju and Sreejith: > Currently Wikipedia projects are hosted in US and all media files

uploaded

> to these projects should be copyright free in the source country of

origin

and also in US. If we need to upload media files out of copyright in India but still copyrighted in US, I am afraid, the servers need to be hosted in India.

Sreejith's point is what I was wondering about. Is there value in this? Something that the Chapter might consider?

Agree with John. And Gautam, it is a good idea -- should be an interesting project to take up. -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig

Gerard Meijssen

27 Aug 27 Aug

2:25 p.m.

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Hoi, Why not take over Wikilivres from Yann and make it your project. Maybe you can do one better and cooperate with other chapters on this project. There are already main[pages in several languages... Australia and Canada come to mind.. I did blog about it.. http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2011/08/when-usa-copyright-rules-are-to… my personal opinion it would be a wonderful thing when the different Indian languages including English make it their own as well. Thanks, GerardM On 26 August 2011 08:52, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org> wrote:

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Ashwin Baindur

2:40 p.m.

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+1 to Gerard's Idea Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com

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wrote:

> Hoi, > Why not take over Wikilivres from Yann and make it your project. Maybe you > can do one better and cooperate with other chapters on this project. There > are already main[pages in several languages... Australia and Canada come to > mind.. > > I did blog about it.. > http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2011/08/when-usa-copyright-rules-are-to… my personal opinion it would be a wonderful thing when the different > Indian languages including English make it their own as well. > Thanks, > GerardM > > > On 26 August 2011 08:52, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org

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> >> So here's a question - given that there is much content that is out of >> copyright in India but not necessarily in other parts of the world, is >> there any sense in looking to create an Indian Wikisource for content >> that is out of copyright here? >> >> Thank you. >> >> Best, >> >> Gautam >> ________ >> http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >

Gautam John

28 Aug 28 Aug

12:59 a.m.

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Indeed! Will email Yann and see what we can do. Thank you. Best, Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html On 28 August 2011 00:10, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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+1 to Gerard's Idea Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hoi, Why not take over Wikilivres from Yann and make it your project. Maybe you can do one better and cooperate with other chapters on this project. There are already main[pages in several languages... Australia and Canada come to mind.. I did blog about it.. http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2011/08/when-usa-copyright-rules-are-to… In my personal opinion it would be a wonderful thing when the different Indian languages including English make it their own as well. Thanks, GerardM On 26 August 2011 08:52, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org> wrote:

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Anirudh Bhati
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