Hi Folks, My apologies for not replying sooner. I am on the ground in India, doing in person interviews, while juggling communication on email, talk pages, skype, etc. Here is a summary of what I have been up to: 20 hours in US reviewing talk pages and email list communication regarding IEP Interviews so far, in order in which they were done (in person, unless otherwise noted): - Barry Newstead, WMF SF - Frank Schulenburg, WMF SF - Annie Lin, WMF SF - LiAnna Davis, WMF SF - Hisham Mundol, WMF India - Nitika Tandon, WMF India - Shiju Alex, WMF India - Ram Shankar Yadav, CA Pune - Ishita Ghosh, professor, SSE, Pune - informal conversation with 2 SSE students and 2 CAs over lunch in Pune - Rashmi Barua, SSE student - Devanchi Tripathi, SSE student and CA - Ashwin Baindur, Mandar Kulkarni (Pune WP community members) and Sudhanwa Jogalekar (OSM friend of WP, Pune), group interview over dinner - Abhilasha Sharma, SSE student - Anushikha Benazur, SSE student - Dr. Jyoti Chandiramani, SSE Director - 3 more SSE students, informal conversation over lunch - Debanjan Bandyopadhyay, CA SSE - Radha Misra, professor, SNDT Women's College, Pune - Shweta Shinde, student, COEP - Gautam Akiwate, student, COEP - informal conversation with 3 CAs and 1 student, COEP - Dr. Anil V. Sahasrabudhe, Director, COEP - Dr. Pradeep Waychal, professor, COEP - Kudpung, WP Admin (skype video) - Srikanth Lakshmanan, WP editor, OA for IEP (skype audio) - Hisham Mundol, WMF India (telephone) Reviewing user, talk and article pages of all CAs and students interviewed. Ongoing check-in on talk pages regarding program communication. Interviews to come: - Wasim, CA COEP - Pratik Lohati, CA COEP - Arjun M. K., CA COEP - Vaibhav Chandak, CA COEP - Prof. Abhijit Sir, professor, COEP - Bala Jeyaraman (telephone) - Risker (skype) - Ruud (email) - Andy Dingley (email) - Voceditenore (email) - Fluffernutter (email) - Danger (talk page) - MER-C (talk page) - Matthiespaul (tbd) - Moonriddengirl (telephone) - Ayush Khanna, Data Analyst, Global Development Program, WMF SF (telephone) This is my complete list. Data gathering closes Monday, 5 December, except I will take the statistical numbers from WMF whenever I get them. My contract includes 20 interviews, and I am already doing many more, so please refrain from adding to my list. I am completely off line and away from cell phone from noon 5 December - noon 12 December, San Francisco Time. I will not respond to any communication during that time. I will be collating interviews and drafting my report 12 - 31 December. I will deliver as a word file to WMF and also post to my Userspace (exact location TBD, I am just learning all of this WP online method as I go). Please assume good faith. I am very good at what I do, and I have a lot of integrity. I respect Wikipedia and everyone who contributes to it. Warm Regards, Tory Read On Nov 30, 2011, at 12:18 AM, wikimediaindia-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org wrote: > Send Wikimediaindia-l mailing list submissions to > wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wikimediaindia-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wikimediaindia-l-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wikimediaindia-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis (Ashwin Baindur) > 2. Re: [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA (Srikanth Ramakrishnan) > 3. Re: [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA (Pradeep Mohandas) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:11:22 +0530 > From: Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis > To: Wikimedia India Community list > <wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <CAMo0PChjr6RtX_93k9S_ytUvAhfx--9tO7kKnLdT-T8hBvmHAQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Often, it helps to have an outsider perspective. We in the Pune community > met Torey to day and are of the opinion that the Foundation wants someone > from their side to provide an impartial outsider's view and also to explore > ways ahead in addition to finding out whats going on and what had happened. > > Obviously, her assignment is just one of a number of initiatives that are > underway to improve/get feedback regarding the IEP fiasco. > > Warm regards, > > Ashwin Baindur > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Anirudh Bhati <anirudhsbh(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: > >> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Barry Newstead <bnewstead(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Thanks for the engagement on the questions that should be tacked in this >>> evaluation. See inline for a brief response to Theo's question about Tory >>> Read. >>> >>> Best, >>> Barry >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Theo10011 <de10011(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I really didn't read the entire thread to have a lot of comments, I just >>>> have one point I noticed that I wanted to ask - Why is Tory Read conducting >>>> the "evaluative study"? >>>> >>>> As I recall, her only exposure to India and Wikipedia before this was >>>> the research project. And even that had nothing to do with the Education >>>> program directly. Is there a reason why she's leading the study? >>>> >>>> It seems like the same pattern of avoiding knowledgeable >>>> and experienced members of the community to focus on the "outside >>>> perspective". I thought the only lesson that the team did take away was, >>>> you can't do in India what the global education team and Frank did in the >>>> US. They don't scale and you need local solutions. >>>> >>>> I'm pretty sure Ms. Read is a competent researcher and would do a good >>>> job but I don't see how Ms. Read's expertise or exposure to India and the >>>> Education program would make this process any different from the pattern >>>> that brought IEP here. Talking to the staff in SF, or spending a day in >>>> Delhi or Pune is not going to give a clear picture at all. >>>> >>> >>> Tory is indeed a competent researcher who built a solid understanding of >>> the community and how things work in Wikimedia during her engagement with >>> us in the India Chronicles. I selected her for this assignment because she >>> has a good working knowledge of our general situation from her work on the >>> India Chronicles, she has the skills to interview a good cross-section of >>> those involved (WP editors, students, profs, Campus Ambassadors, online >>> ambassadors, staff, others), she can look at the issue with fresh eyes and >>> help synthesize learning and recommendations for changes, she will get this >>> done in a timely fashion while memories are still fresh (which is really >>> important). >>> >>> She is doing a combination of Skype, email and in-person interviews...and >>> is in Pune this week actually. I'm confident that her work will be valuable >>> to all of us and it will be shared in its entirety with the community. It >>> won't be the only work on this. Both the India team and the Global >>> Education Program team are committed to doing more joint problem-solving on >>> future changes to the program with those interested in engaging with us. >>> >>> >> Hi Barry, >> >> My understanding is that conducting an evaluative study requires a deep >> comprehension of our projects and the volunteers. At the same time, an >> exercise like this demands objectivity while analyzing empirical evidence. >> >> By building a repertoire of anecdotal evidence through a series of >> interviews mostly conducted over phone/VoIP, I do not see how this report >> will inform us beyond what discussions on this mailing list already have. >> >> Tory Read is an accomplished story-teller, but she is not a Wikipedian. >> Can we simply not have WMF staff in New Delhi handle the interviews and >> requests for comment? (They should also seek help from some of the >> established Wikipedia editors.) >> >> The reason why I am stressing on this is because I think that an >> established Wikipedia editor would be better-placed to objectively analyze >> what worked and what did not work, and how this program may be improved. >> Such editors need not be Indian, they can be a group of Wikipedians who >> were directly or peripherally involved on Wikipedia when the IEP program >> was being executed. >> >> Best, >> anirudh >> >> >> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >> >