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Dhanalakshmi K. T.

14 Oct 2019 14 Oct '19

7:08 p.m.

Hi all, We are all aware of Newbie biting. One editor by User name Lokesha kunchadka <https://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%A6%E0%B2%B8%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AF:Lokesha_kunchadka> who is indulging in Newbie biting in Kannada and Tulu Wikipedias from almost last 2-3 months. He was issued a warning by the admin in Kannada Wikipedia, link is here <https://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%A6%E0%B2%B8%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AF%E0%B2%B0_%E0%B2%9A%E0%B2%B0%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%9A%E0%B3%86%E0%B2%AA%E0%B3%81%E0%B2%9F:Lokesha_kunchadka#Newbie_biting> . I have been conducting Diversity Editathons from last 3 months. One of the major aims of these editathons is to bring more women editors. Before the new editor completes the article this person jumps in and adds templates to imply the article is not of good quality. The new editors, especially the women editors, are scared to continue editing because of this newbie biting. Apart from this I had written an article on 13th October 2019 with the template Under constriction for which he commented saying there is no such topic. I was planning to complete the article with reference to the title today. I would like to hear suggestions from experienced people on how do deal with this kind of situation. Regards, Dhanalakshmi K T

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Ashwin Baindur

28 Oct 28 Oct

1:40 p.m.

New subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Newbie biting in Kannada and Tulu Wikipedias

Raise this in village pump of Tulu & Kannada Wikipedia too, in case you haven't. On Mon, Oct 28, 2019, 5:45 PM Dhanalakshmi K. T. <lakshmikt96(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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balaji

2:35 p.m.

New subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Newbie biting in Kannada and Tulu Wikipedias

Was the article written in sandbox or main name space. ? On Mon, Oct 28, 2019, 6:10 PM Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Raise this in village pump of Tulu & Kannada Wikipedia too, in case you haven't. On Mon, Oct 28, 2019, 5:45 PM Dhanalakshmi K. T. <lakshmikt96(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Jayanta Nath

3:20 p.m.

New subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Newbie biting in Kannada and Tulu Wikipedias

Hi Dhanalakshmi K T, For a quick reference for this incident go through below Wikipedia's behavioural guideline and essays. 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Responsible_tagging Regards, Jayanta Nath On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 5:45 PM Dhanalakshmi K. T. <lakshmikt96(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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pavan santhosh

29 Oct 29 Oct

3:30 a.m.

New subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Newbie biting in Kannada and Tulu Wikipedias

Hey Dhanalakshmi KT, This is worth discussing in WP:Village pump as Ashwin sir suggested. I believe discussions in Tulu and Kannada Wikipedia helps to resolve issue better. On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 5:45 PM Dhanalakshmi K. T. <lakshmikt96(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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-- Pavan Santhosh.

Asaf Bartov

11:14 a.m.

New subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Newbie biting in Kannada and Tulu Wikipedias

More explicitly: Wikipedia communities are self-governing. This means this mailing list has no particular ability to regulate behavior on the Kannada or Tulu Wikipedias. It is to your fellow community members on those wikis that you should complain about the newbie-biter's behavior. Those communities should step up and stop the newbie-biting if they are interested in welcoming newcomers and seeing their community grow. (Remind people -- on-wiki -- that avoiding newbie-biting *does not* equal compromising on quality; it's just a better attitude to showing newcomers their mistakes or where (and how!) an article can be improved.) Cheers, A. On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:31 AM pavan santhosh <pavansanthosh.s(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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pavan santhosh

3:29 p.m.

New subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Newbie biting in Kannada and Tulu Wikipedias

Hello Asaf, Nice to hear from you. Thanks for making things clear. Kudos to your point on balancing between quality of content and welcoming new Wikipedians. I don't think that they are contradicting tasks. In long run, developing an environment where experienced editors will step in and help newbies understand how to contribute quality content that sticks to the core content policies is, ideally, something that we need to work on. Hope we will find another platform/thread to discuss such steps. Bye for now. Thanks & Regards, Pavan. On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:45 PM Asaf Bartov <abartov(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Dhanalakshmi K. T.

31 Oct 31 Oct

8:20 a.m.

New subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikikn-l (kannada wikipedia)] Newbie biting in Kannada and Tulu Wikipedias

Hello, I don't know what happened to my email. I had sent the email to the list on Oct 14, 2019. But it reached the list only on Oct 28, 2019. As many have suggested as reply to the email, I have already written in Kannada and Tulu Wikipedia Village Pumps, after sending the email. Regards, Dhanalakshmi K T On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 8:00 PM pavan santhosh <pavansanthosh.s(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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pavansanthosh.s(a)gmail.com>

wrote: > Hey Dhanalakshmi KT, > > This is worth discussing in WP:Village pump as Ashwin sir suggested. I > believe discussions in Tulu and Kannada Wikipedia helps to resolve issue > better. > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 5:45 PM Dhanalakshmi K. T. <

lakshmikt96(a)gmail.com>

> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> We are all aware of Newbie biting. One editor by User name Lokesha >> kunchadka >> <

https://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%A6%E0%B2%B8%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AF… who

>> is indulging in Newbie biting in Kannada and Tulu Wikipedias from

almost

>> last 2-3 months. He was issued a warning by the admin in Kannada

Wikipedia,

>> link is here >> <

https://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%A6%E0%B2%B8%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AF…

>> . >> >> I have been conducting Diversity Editathons from last 3 months. One of >> the major aims of these editathons is to bring more women editors.

Before

>> the new editor completes the article this person jumps in and adds >> templates to imply the article is not of good quality. The new editors, >> especially the women editors, are scared to continue editing because of >> this newbie biting. Apart from this I had written an article on 13th >> October 2019 with the template Under constriction for which he

commented

>> saying there is no such topic. I was planning to complete the article

with

reference to the title today. I would like to hear suggestions from experienced people on how do deal with this kind of situation. Regards, Dhanalakshmi K T _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

-- Pavan Santhosh. _______________________________________________ Wikikn-l mailing list Wikikn-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikikn-l

Subhashish

8:56 a.m.

New subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikikn-l (kannada wikipedia)] Newbie biting in Kannada and Tulu Wikipedias

Dear Dhanalakshmi, Maybe you could translate a few things for us. I see that the discussion is between two Wikipedians and the discussion is happening on the talk page where such a discussion should happen widely on the village pump (unless you have a local alternative). It seems like a bilateral process and not a consensus-driven one. I might be wrong here, but the recommended steps would involve a consensus among the community members allowing multiple point of views to have a consensus. Based on that consensus, the accused Wikipedian can be blocked temporarily or permanently. Blocking arbitrarily is not a healthy practice. I am sharing this as you shared about an incident that is super local in a larger mailing list. To me, it is important to have the discussion locally first to arrive at a consensus before sharing here. But it is all up to you from the Kannada community. Subha On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 12:51 PM Dhanalakshmi K. T. <lakshmikt96(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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equal

compromising on quality; it's just a better attitude to showing

newcomers

their mistakes or where (and how!) an article can be improved.) Cheers, A. On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:31 AM pavan santhosh <

pavansanthosh.s(a)gmail.com>

wrote: > Hey Dhanalakshmi KT, > > This is worth discussing in WP:Village pump as Ashwin sir suggested. I > believe discussions in Tulu and Kannada Wikipedia helps to resolve

issue

> better. > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 5:45 PM Dhanalakshmi K. T. <

lakshmikt96(a)gmail.com>

> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> We are all aware of Newbie biting. One editor by User name Lokesha >> kunchadka >> <

https://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%A6%E0%B2%B8%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AF… who

>> is indulging in Newbie biting in Kannada and Tulu Wikipedias from

almost

>> last 2-3 months. He was issued a warning by the admin in Kannada

Wikipedia,

>> link is here >> <

https://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%A6%E0%B2%B8%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AF…

>> . >> >> I have been conducting Diversity Editathons from last 3 months. One of >> the major aims of these editathons is to bring more women editors.

Before

>> the new editor completes the article this person jumps in and adds >> templates to imply the article is not of good quality. The new

editors,

>> especially the women editors, are scared to continue editing because

>> this newbie biting. Apart from this I had written an article on 13th >> October 2019 with the template Under constriction for which he

commented

>> saying there is no such topic. I was planning to complete the article

with

>> reference to the title today. >> >> I would like to hear suggestions from experienced people on how do

deal

> with this kind of situation. > > Regards, > Dhanalakshmi K T > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > -- Pavan Santhosh. _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

-- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in

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Dhanalakshmi K. T.

2 Nov 2 Nov

7:28 p.m.

New subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikikn-l (kannada wikipedia)] Newbie biting in Kannada and Tulu Wikipedias

Hi, Apart from Newbie biting, there are instances of personal attack on me. Please visit Kannada Wikipedia Village pump <https://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%B5%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%95%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%AA%E0%B3%80%E0%B2%A1%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%AF:%E0%B2%85%E0%B2%B0%E0%B2%B3%E0%B2%BF_%E0%B2%95%E0%B2%9F%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%9F%E0%B3%86#%E0%B2%AA%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%B0%E0%B2%A4%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%95%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%B0%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%AF%E0%B3%86> for more details and response. Regards, Dhanalakshmi K T On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 1:27 PM Subhashish <psubhashish(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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equal

compromising on quality; it's just a better attitude to showing

newcomers

their mistakes or where (and how!) an article can be improved.) Cheers, A. On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:31 AM pavan santhosh <

pavansanthosh.s(a)gmail.com>

wrote: > Hey Dhanalakshmi KT, > > This is worth discussing in WP:Village pump as Ashwin sir suggested. I > believe discussions in Tulu and Kannada Wikipedia helps to resolve

issue

> better. > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 5:45 PM Dhanalakshmi K. T. <

lakshmikt96(a)gmail.com>

> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> We are all aware of Newbie biting. One editor by User name Lokesha >> kunchadka >> <

https://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%A6%E0%B2%B8%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AF… who

>> is indulging in Newbie biting in Kannada and Tulu Wikipedias from

almost

>> last 2-3 months. He was issued a warning by the admin in Kannada

Wikipedia,

>> link is here >> <

https://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%A6%E0%B2%B8%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AF…

>> . >> >> I have been conducting Diversity Editathons from last 3 months. One

>> the major aims of these editathons is to bring more women editors.

Before

>> the new editor completes the article this person jumps in and adds >> templates to imply the article is not of good quality. The new

editors,

>> especially the women editors, are scared to continue editing because

>> this newbie biting. Apart from this I had written an article on 13th >> October 2019 with the template Under constriction for which he

commented

>> saying there is no such topic. I was planning to complete the

article with

>> reference to the title today. >> >> I would like to hear suggestions from experienced people on how do

deal

>> with this kind of situation. >> >> Regards, >> Dhanalakshmi K T >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> > > > -- > Pavan Santhosh. > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in

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