On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Shiju Alex
<shijualexonline@gmail.com> wrote:
IEP volunteers
This is another branding going on to side line wikipedia editors. Remember once a person start editing in Wikipedia they are wikipedians. But here we are branding and sidelining them to prove our POV.
No one is "branding" or "sidelining" editors. Don't you call yourself a Malayali Wikipedian? Similarly there are Wikipedians from Pune, Calcutta, Ahmedabad and Bangalore. These are various classifications, and they are in no way derogatory.
I have seen members (both in this list and in other lists) using the words outsiders, non-xyz language speakers, non-xyz city people to sideline few community members (especially if they are newcomers). See now I am side lined as an ex-volunteer so that the interested parties can prove their POV.
Classic straw man. No one's sidelining you or anyone else. You are welcome to feel sidelined, but do not falsely accuse others of doing that to anyone.
For me that is not an issue since my wiki contributions are not depending on these branding and I will continue my volunteer contribution. The community atmosphere in Indic wikis is entirely different especially when it comes towards treatment towards new users.
But when new members joining wiki if they are branded and sidelined how will community grow for any language. From my experience with Malayalam wikipedia, I must say Indic wiki communities perform better in this aspect. When a user start editing in wiki, we must value their wiki contributions, not by their association or non-association with any organization/groups/individuals.
Contributors are only judged by their work on our projects and new contributors will always find themselves welcomed by other users. I find it incredibly disappointing that you are continuing to take this line of argument after your objectionable comments yesterday.
The English Wikipedia is far more complex than the Indic language projects and has its own strengths and weaknesses, and that in no way means that new contributors are not welcome - we just expect basic [[WP:COMPETENCE]] from new users and a willingness to understand how the system works (not that this was relevant to the OT).
Hisham is yet to respond to some of the issues raised above, and I wonder if any satisfactory answers are on their way. Most of the important matters just seem to get buried on the list after a bunch of misconceived accusations (which likely stem from lack of awareness than malice), meta-arguments and nit-picking.
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