That is not always true. Even the apparently (for us)  easy pages on English Wikipedia are too technical for a would-be enthusiatic neo wiki editor as he/she just steps into editing attempts even after a long experience of &quot;reading&quot; wikipedia.<br>

<br>I can wow on to this as I have met many such people who would, at first &#39;dare into editing&#39; often at the forceful prompting of an experienced user, but soon withdraw. <br>To them, there seems to be too may syntax formalities and restricting rules and regulations.<br>

<br>The same people, if continuously and  intensively supported by an experienced one, crosses the learning curve quite fast and become able to stand on his own as an independent contributor.<br><br>I sincerely think that there is a clear need of preparing and showcasing a Real Idiot&#39;s Guide to early Wikipedia editing. Perhaps, we do not realize such lack of user-friendliness ourselves as most of us have come away a long way from that stage.<br>

<br><br>-Viswam<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 22:33, ansuman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ansumang@gmail.com">ansumang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">

I think the pages available for beginners on english wikipedia is more than enough to learn.<div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 4:18 AM, Jessie Wild <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jwild@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">jwild@wikimedia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>



<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks for sending this, Shiju!<div><br></div><div>I just got off the phone with a wonderful woman who works for EDC India who was asking me how she could participate in Kannada Wikipedia editing. Obviously I can just direct her to the homepage of kn-wiki, but is there somewhere she could go to get some coaching to begin? She&#39;s never edited before, but is fluent in English too and wants to increase the educational content.</div>




<div><br></div><div>Thanks for your help!</div><div>Jessie<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Shiju Alex <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:shiju@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">shiju@wikimedia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>




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Dear All,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></span><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">As part of my discussion with Indic language Wikipedians I spoke with few Kannada wikipedians. I have summarized the discussion in meta wiki. It is here: <a href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Kannada/Discussions/2011" target="_blank">http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Kannada/Discussions/2011</a></span><div>






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<br></div></span></div></span><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Kannada with more than 4 crore speakers and</span><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> </span><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"></span><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">is one of the 22 scheduled languages of india. </span><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"></span><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Kannada is primarily spoken in the Indian state Karnataka. </span><div>





<font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></font></div><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Kannada Wikipedia has a very interesting heritage.  This is the community that started Wiki outreach programs in India.  In fact, the first Indic wiki workshop that I am aware of was organized by HPN way back in 2004! A</span><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> lot of interesting things happened for a while and there was a time when Kannda has a vibrant 40+ strong community.  </span><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div>





<span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">   </div></span></div></span><div><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">However, off late, things appear to have slowed down and the number of active editors is on a relative decline.  Having said that, the seeds have already been sown in this community and I am confident that with a little nurturing, we can see activism in Kannada wikipedia coming back. I am basing my optimism on Kananda Wiktionary -where the community has taken it to the 2nd largest wiktionary in the country.  There is much activism happening around kannada wiktionary. In Kannada wikipedia I got opportunity to interact with high prolific editors like User:Radhatanaya who is silently doing wonderful job. </span></div>





<div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">Kannada wikipedia has more than 11,000 articles now and kannada wiktionary has whopping 1,50,000 entries (making it the second biggest Wiktionary among Indic language wiktionaries).<br>





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       </div></span></div></span><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Kindly read the experience of Kannada Wikimedians at:<br>
</span><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> <a href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Kannada/Discussions/2011" target="_blank">http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Kannada/Discussions/2011</a></span><div>





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Regards</div><span><font color="#888888"><div>Shiju</div></font></span></span></div></span>
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