Indeed.  And specifically, "they did not pick me, therefore the criteria are not good" is a very immature statement to make.  So far we have not seen anything to suggest there is a genuine problem with the criteria used.

   A.

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Wikimedia Foundation


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On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 2:48 AM Subhashish <psubhashish@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not sure if this discussion should even happen in a public list like this in the first place. The Jan. 20 version here [1] mentions the criteria before the announcement went public. When it can be debated how the criteria can be improved to be more inclusive (let's say, "someone who has participated in any TTT in last three/four years will not be eligible to apply", lack of transparency is not something it reflects).

Selection of candidates is a complex process and it leaves many unhappy as everyone looks at it from a different perspective. It actually looks like a happy situation and not depressing, to see three names against Kannada in this list [2] while there are only two participants from Marathi when the event is happening in Maharashtra. :-) It's important to note that just eligibility does not guarantee selection, especially when the number of applicants is more. The content in the application submitted by the applicant plays a huge role too. When a jury looks at the selection criteria to select the candidates, they might not share a detailed reason why they rejected a candidate. Out of many reasons, one can be the simple fact that sharing the reasons of rejection might just offend the applicant and the latter may feel discouraged to apply again. Not everyone would take rejection the same way.

I'd concur with Ravi about assuming good faith here too. Maybe the discussion can be to improve TTT in other aspects and not necessarily transparency in application selection.

1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=CIS-A2K/Events/Train_the_Trainer_Program/2020&oldid=19730890#Eligibility_criteria
2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Events/Train_the_Trainer_Program/2020#Participants

Subha


On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 12:37 AM Tito Dutta <trulytito@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for your messages, and thanks for assuming good faith. Yes, we tried ensuring region, gender, language, and other things. The candidates were selected after recommendations of jury members. 24 members were selected over-all. 1 person could not attend for some reason. So we have 23 participants.
Today it was the second day of TTT, and it has been a busy day. Someone of us will get back to you in a few days.

Thanks
Tito Dutta
Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to remind me over email or phone call.


On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 20:22, Ravishankar <ravidreams@gmail.com> wrote:
Please assume some good faith.

Even if all 60 candidates who applied are eligible, they still need to select 25 people.

Even if only two people are selected from each community, it can easily fill the 25 seats.

The selection criteria listed by CIS-A2K is good.

May be they can also display how they ensured diversity in terms of gender, region, language, wiki project, and wiki age of the candidates.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:44 PM Vishwanatha Badikana <badikana65@gmail.com> wrote:
Good luck.  

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 6:20 PM subodh kulkarni <subodhkiran@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Wikimedians,

We are thankful for the response to TTT this year. We received total 60 applications, out of which 25 participants were selected. 

Two jury members from the community and A2K team selected the participants. The selection criterion were as follows -
  • Wikimedian from India
  • Minimum 800 edits on zero-namespace before 31 December 2019.
  • Should not be previous TTT participant
  • Should be active recently, for last one year preferably (Aware about present active community and happenings)
  • Who has the interest to conduct offline/real-life Wiki events and to train others.
  • Should not be too experienced (already leading the community or user groups or any affiliate)
  • Should not be involved in any vandalism, abuse etc.

Thanks & regards,

A2K team
Centre for Internet & Society - Access to Knowledge Programme


On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 10:07 AM <pavanaja@vishvakannada.com> wrote:

I think this email did not reach the India mailing list. Hence I am fwd-ing it.

 

Regards,

Pavanaja

From: Vishwanatha Badikana <badikana65@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 3:26 PM
To: kishoresheni69 <kishoresheni69@gmail.com>; Pavanaja U B <pavanaja@gmail.com>; Bharathesha A B <bharuab@gmail.com>; Dr. Manavpreet Kaur <dr.manavpreetkaur@gmail.com>; Kavitha Ganesh <gkavi10@gmail.com>; Dhanalakshmi K. T. <lakshmikt96@gmail.com>; Rohini Lakshané <rohini.lakshane@gmail.com>; Kannada Wikipedia Discussion List <wikikn-l@lists.wikimedia.org>; Wikimedia India Community list <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>; subodhkiran@gmail.com; Vikas Hegde <vikashegde82@gmail.com>; vinoda jaya prasad <vinu.jayaprasad@gmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: Update about TTT selection

 

What is going on the TTT Selection.  I don't want future TTT selection.  The Kannada Community members depressed.  I think the selection committee have lot of politics.  Who are the selection committee? 

 

 

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: subodh kulkarni <subodhkiran@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 22:14
Subject: Update about TTT selection
To:

 

Dear applicant,

 

We are thankful for showing interest to participate in TTT 2020. We are sorry to inform you that your application was not selected in the process. 

We value your contribution to the Wikimedia movement and looking forward to work with you in future.

 

regards,

 

Subodh Kulkarni 

on behalf of

Centre for Internet & Society - Access to Knowledge Programme



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