While we welcome the efforts and contributions, all wikis may not be
equipped with enuf active users to handle such a flood. if a flood of
low quality articles or translations come by, such projects may take
(much) longer to recover and regain the drop of quality. While
quantity benefits out of such a flood, that may end up compromising
the quality of the wiki. It may not always in th interest of the local
community.
Regards,
Jyothis.
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On Feb 23, 2010, at 3:03 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <rsrikanth05(a)gmail.com
Shiju,
Can't we just go ahead normally? If these Google guys make mistakes,
we just correct them and go on. If they resist, then explain or warn
them?
Regards,
On 23 February 2010 21:08, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
There should be proper co-ordination between each language community
and the Google.
In Malayalam Wikipedia, we already tried collaborative translation
of some English Wiki articles 2 years back. But that was a failure
and we dropped that. One of the main issue with word-to-word
translation is that the entire article will have the sentences
constructed with artificial words and phrases. The reader will run
away from that type of articles.
If there is no proper agreement between wiki community and Google
the community may resist. For the sake of Google translation, Wikis
should not not be flooded with articles. Some wikis might be
interested in using this service to increase the article count. But
not all communities will agree to that.
The problem of paid translation and word-to-word translation are
many. Each language community might have different issues regarding
word-to-word translation/paid translation. Each of them need to be
addressed separately.
So it is very important that Google agrees to the point mentioned in
the below mail, and there should be proper communication between
Google and respective language communities.
Shiju
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Ravi shankar
<ravidreams_03(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi all,
regarding the mail below:
Sundar and I have initiated contacts with Google on coordinating
their article contributions.
Google has agreed in principle for the demands below.
We hope we can update all Indian Wikis about the progress in this
collaboration, say in a month or two. Then it may be a good model
for all Indian Wikis to follow. So, it may be a good idea for all
Indian Wikis to wait during this period so Google need not have to
do the same consensus evolving approach with many wikis.
Thanks,
ravi
From: Ravi shankar <ravidreams_03(a)yahoo.com>
To: wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Fri, December 25, 2009 11:30:27 AM
Subject: Coordinating Google translation kit articles
Hi all,
Following the recent Wiki meet in Bangalore, Sundar (Tamil
Wikipedian) brought to our notice that Google is contributing to
various Indian language Wikis using Google translation kit and paid
translators. In Tamil Wiki, we feel a strong need to corordinate /
organize this activity andwe hope it is the same situation in many
Indian language wikis.
So, may I propose that we discuss this in this mailing list and send
a common notification from Indian language wikis to Google India? To
begin with I propose the following. Please add to the list.
1. Google should appoint one coordinator each for every Indian
language wiki where they contribute articles. This coordinator
should be available to reach by mail and be adequately responsive
(Say, once a week at least). He will take feedback from the wiki
community and pass it to the paid contributors.
2. If Googe policy allows, they should know us the time frame and
scale of this operation so we can plan accordingly.
3. Google should not translate existing articles because they are
over riding previous contributions.
4. Each Wiki can submit a list of needed articles and the
translators can consider giving priority from them.
5. Each Wiki can draft an essential Manual of Style which the
translators shall follow.
6. Based on the responses for above, we shall periodically re-
evaluate how we can continue to cooperate with Google.
After we finalise the list , some one of us who has links with
Google India team can take this forward.
Thanks,
Ravi
(Tamil Wiki)
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