Hoi,

I am so in disagreement with you .. If something new has to start and Wikidata is new, then it needs more than just a video or a conference call. I know, I live and breath it, I still discover new opportunities every day. I gave a presentation to professionals who work in data. It took me an hour to set up the environment with them and for them so that they could start..

We had a meeting for three hours and we scratched the surface enough to make a difference. The fact that we were together ensured good faith and enough understanding. 

Then again, the approach in the questioning of "Q14" [1] is such that I find that people assume that they know what the proposal is and, what it aims to achieve. I have seen some of the agenda and if only a fifth of what is started pays of it is well worth the investment. I can also categorically state that the agenda is being worked on for half a year now and preparations have been under way for as long. 

Just consider what a challenge it is to bring Wikidata to India in a way where it actually makes a difference. It can and it will if only because there is so much to that program.

My initial reaction is one of "assume good faith".. What I know is that you do not know what is aimed for and I am sure you did not ask. You did not consider how a program can make a difference.. It can when it is has many facets, angles and a chance of making a difference here and there.

The question is not can it be a success, but it seems more one of do you want it to be a success.

Thanks,

      GerardM

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form#Q14

On 23 April 2014 17:27, Ravishankar <ravidreams@gmail.com> wrote:

Hoi Gerard,

This is not a discussion about the usefulness of CIS's work. Most of the Indic  Wiki communities till date have only engaged with CIS in good faith.

Your comment about WikiData can help at

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form#Q14

Ravi

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