Hello Bodhisattwa, Subhashish, Satdeep and All,
Thanks for Writing Back!
To avoid the jumping up of issues, I have listed them point-wise, in case I have missed any please feel free to add.
1. Now that Bodhisattwa has acknowledged on his inappropriate tone and it can be believed he would be a caution for future onwards and since the issue is in public domain, I would urge Wikimedia India to respond on this.
2. As highlighted by Subhashish, it is essentially the problem of organizational process. I would like to add that the role is essentially not restricted to Wikimedia India or CIS-A2K but also User Groups and Wikimedia Foundation Staff. All need to look coherent and work together. For instance, Satdeep is often questioned for being part-time WMF employee, being AffCom Committee member (attending the Berlin Conference in this capacity) and then Wikimania (attending as a volunteer). Not only the Indian community but also foundation needs to reflect on this. Having a say in recognizing User Groups in India and simultaneously being holding India Outreach Office. Satdeep, my friend, nothing personal, but better understanding can be made here.
3. Bengaluru Meetings: Subhashish, my question is why is community made ignorant about such meeting. Your previous message only tells me that you were part of it. Like the healthy bullet points you have shared, you should have initiated the same process out there. You knew about the meeting and attended it. The amount of experience you carry, you should be more careful and lead other fellow community members.
4. I believe there is nothing bounding CIS-A2K staff from hiring someone to do their reports. I believe they could have already done that. All I meant, CIS-A2K has such a big staff base still someone cannot find time to share it on the mailing list and even if someone visits their official Meta page – Report Section, one does not even find 2018 listed.
Additional Comments –
5. Bodhisattwa, the details on your Wikimania trip have been shared on your personal email address. I would request you to acknowledge the same here.
6. Bodhisattwa, last time I voted in Indian General Elections 2014, I had come to know that Rs 15 lakh would come in my bank account. Neither did I vote for that person, nor it has reached me. I am putting this on the official record, the day I receive it, I will donate entire money to Wikimedia projects 😊
Is there a substance to what you are hearing? I do not know what is this about, but if there is any paperwork please share it. Otherwise, no speculative talk on the mailing list, please. A strict No!
(Can Drop Additional Comments )
Abhinav
_______________________________________________Hi Abhinav,Thanks for your mail.On Thu, 2 Aug 2018, 11:13 Abhinav srivastava, <abhinav619@gmail.com> wrote:Hello Satdeep, Bodhisattwa and All,
I believe the response to the first statement put by Satdeep, on having expected more discussions, stands firm, Indian community has advanced from the notion of “Constantly enduring in fights amongst themselves”. The mailing list have largely remained positive and most importantly friendly in nature for some time now. Indian community needs this kind of a behaviour.
While Bodhisattwa was absolutely democratic and correct in inquiring, debating or in fact questioning this issue, his tone could have been better. When the issue requires clarity of information, putting value judgements along with taking names, I believe this could have been put in a better manner. Otherwise, we haven’t progressed at all.
I understand, as a past EC member of WMIN, you are feeling bad with my tone, for that I am sorry. I request you to ignore my tone and discuss about my question. How can a non-scholarship recipient and not in the waiting list be selected to attend Wikimania with donation money depriving those who were in the waiting list. I just want to know about the documentation, so that everything becomes clear to me.As far as Wikimania mailing list is concerned, I too subsequently inquired and I find response has been provided for the same, two days back. Bodhisattwa has been subsequently replying. Also, the respective mailing list advises that the issue is a different matter and not relevant for the mailing list. Satdeep, you did not inform about this information in your mail.
Bodhisattwa, as a past executive committee member of the Wikimedia India, I would like to say Wikimedia India always believes in the will of the community being the will of the executive committee. I can personally say, Chapter having no money, the Executive committee members have paid from their pockets to provide all the necessary support. You were also one of its recipients for Internet scholarship until some telecom companies started providing very pocket friendly price internet services and we requested you to shift (Reliance Jio). The several executive committee members did not earn still they paid from their pocket to support you and others. We did it because we always believed in you, your work has been fantastic even community members used to express their happiness to us for on having supported Bodhisattwa.
For that, I am always thankful to WMIN, specially Yohann and you, as I got support when it was badly needed. I have never forgotten that and will never forget. But things have changed now in WMIN. I along with other patricipants in the conference from India have heard of future plans and incidents related to present WMIN president, which are not in the spirit of the Wikimedia movement. If you want to know about those, I can tell, others can confirm, if they are true or not.Like the allegation today, even two years back on Wikimania there happened to be an allegation on an Indian language village pump, concerning you and your travel. The Chapter paid no heed and remained firm in supporting you. Unnamed and unmentioned, I would say the editor who questioned then is also a very senior member and having been associated as a staff in few of the institutions which concerns us. Today, you seem to be in a very similar position, an experienced community who is questioning with no so proper tone and taking names. Bodhisattwa, you should lead the community members in promoting friendly space not doing the opposites.
It is completely new for me, or may be I have completely forgotten, when did that happen that some senior member objected against my Wikimania participation on an Indian language village pump. Can you please send me the link of that discussion, so that I can remember everything. Pardon my retrograde amnesia, may be I am getting old and my memory cells are not working as before. As it was my second Wikimania and luckily I got a full scholarship to attend the conference, I am really interested to see that discussion and comprehend from the point of objection again. Please send me the link, dont forget, please.
At last, Bodhisattwa, my friend, like Satdeep and Subhashish raise your voice but maintain friendly spirt.
As I said before, please, my friend, ignore my tone and stick to the question I asked.Waiting for your reply,Bodhisattwa
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