Hello Bodhisattwa, Subhashish, Satdeep and All,
Thanks for Writing Back!
To avoid the jumping up of issues, I have listed them point-wise, in case I
have missed any please feel free to add.
1. Now that Bodhisattwa has acknowledged on his inappropriate tone
and it can be believed he would be a caution for future onwards and since
the issue is in public domain, I would urge Wikimedia India to respond on
this.
2. As highlighted by Subhashish, it is essentially the problem of
organizational process. I would like to add that the role is essentially
not restricted to Wikimedia India or CIS-A2K but also User Groups and
Wikimedia Foundation Staff. All need to look coherent and work together.
For instance, Satdeep is often questioned for being part-time WMF employee,
being AffCom Committee member (attending the Berlin Conference in this
capacity) and then Wikimania (attending as a volunteer). Not only the
Indian community but also foundation needs to reflect on this. Having a say
in recognizing User Groups in India and simultaneously being holding India
Outreach Office. Satdeep, my friend, nothing personal, but better
understanding can be made here.
3. Bengaluru Meetings: Subhashish, my question is why is community
made ignorant about such meeting. Your previous message only tells me that
you were part of it. Like the healthy bullet points you have shared, you
should have initiated the same process out there. You knew about the
meeting and attended it. The amount of experience you carry, you should be
more careful and lead other fellow community members.
4. I believe there is nothing bounding CIS-A2K staff from hiring
someone to do their reports. I believe they could have already done that.
All I meant, CIS-A2K has such a big staff base still someone cannot find
time to share it on the mailing list and even if someone visits their
official Meta page – Report Section, one does not even find 2018 listed.
Additional Comments –
5. Bodhisattwa, the details on your Wikimania trip have been shared on
your personal email address. I would request you to acknowledge the same
here.
6. Bodhisattwa, last time I voted in Indian General Elections 2014, I
had come to know that Rs 15 lakh would come in my bank account. Neither did
I vote for that person, nor it has reached me. I am putting this on the
official record, the day I receive it, I will donate entire money to
Wikimedia projects 😊
Is there a substance to what you are hearing? I do not know what is this
about, but if there is any paperwork please share it. Otherwise, no
speculative talk on the mailing list, please. A strict No!
(Can Drop Additional Comments )
Abhinav
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 12:02 PM Bodhisattwa Mandal <
bodhisattwa.rgkmc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Abhinav,
Thanks for your mail.
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018, 11:13 Abhinav srivastava, <abhinav619(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hello Satdeep, Bodhisattwa and All,
I believe the response to the first statement put by Satdeep, on having
expected more discussions, stands firm, Indian community has advanced from
the notion of “Constantly enduring in fights amongst themselves”. The
mailing list have largely remained positive and most importantly friendly
in nature for some time now. Indian community needs this kind of a
behaviour.
While Bodhisattwa was absolutely democratic and correct in inquiring,
debating or in fact questioning this issue, his tone could have been
better. When the issue requires clarity of information, putting value
judgements along with taking names, I believe this could have been put in a
better manner. Otherwise, we haven’t progressed at all.
I understand, as a past EC member of WMIN, you are feeling bad with my
tone, for that I am sorry. I request you to ignore my tone and discuss
about my question. How can a non-scholarship recipient and not in the
waiting list be selected to attend Wikimania with donation money depriving
those who were in the waiting list. I just want to know about the
documentation, so that everything becomes clear to me.
As far as Wikimania mailing list is concerned, I
too subsequently
inquired and I find response has been provided for the same, two days back.
Bodhisattwa has been subsequently replying. Also, the respective mailing
list advises that the issue is a different matter and not relevant for the
mailing list. Satdeep, you did not inform about this information in your
mail.
Bodhisattwa, as a past executive committee member of the Wikimedia India,
I would like to say Wikimedia India always believes in the will of the
community being the will of the executive committee. I can personally say,
Chapter having no money, the Executive committee members have paid from
their pockets to provide all the necessary support. You were also one of
its recipients for Internet scholarship until some telecom companies
started providing very pocket friendly price internet services and we
requested you to shift (Reliance Jio). The several executive committee
members did not earn still they paid from their pocket to support you and
others. We did it because we always believed in you, your work has been
fantastic even community members used to express their happiness to us for
on having supported Bodhisattwa.
For that, I am always thankful to WMIN, specially Yohann and you, as I got
support when it was badly needed. I have never forgotten that and will
never forget. But things have changed now in WMIN. I along with other
patricipants in the conference from India have heard of future plans and
incidents related to present WMIN president, which are not in the spirit of
the Wikimedia movement. If you want to know about those, I can tell, others
can confirm, if they are true or not.
Like the allegation today, even two years back on
Wikimania there
happened to be an allegation on an Indian language village pump, concerning
you and your travel. The Chapter paid no heed and remained firm in
supporting you. Unnamed and unmentioned, I would say the editor who
questioned then is also a very senior member and having been associated as
a staff in few of the institutions which concerns us. Today, you seem to be
in a very similar position, an experienced community who is questioning
with no so proper tone and taking names. Bodhisattwa, you should lead the
community members in promoting friendly space not doing the opposites.
It is completely new for me, or may be I have completely forgotten, when
did that happen that some senior member objected against my Wikimania
participation on an Indian language village pump. Can you please send me
the link of that discussion, so that I can remember everything. Pardon my
retrograde amnesia, may be I am getting old and my memory cells are not
working as before. As it was my second Wikimania and luckily I got a full
scholarship to attend the conference, I am really interested to see that
discussion and comprehend from the point of objection again. Please send
me the link, dont forget, please.
At last, Bodhisattwa, my friend, like Satdeep and
Subhashish raise your
voice but maintain friendly spirt.
As I said before, please, my friend, ignore my tone and stick to the
question I asked.
Waiting for your reply,
Bodhisattwa
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