Hi. I'm more active on Hindi Wikipedia. My observation is that many people who come from english wiki to local wikis tend to enforce quality too much. Its like forcing diet of a body builder upon a kid. This takes toll on new contributors who do have good intentions and may be groomed. Keeping in view the life-cycle thing, we have to compromise a little on quality till a critical mass is reached and enforce the quality slowly and steadily.
I've been here for last one year and i think hindi wiki is showing a steady growing trend.
As far as new tech like tablets, smartphones are concerned, i feel they are helpful as local language typing apps are more easy to operate on tablets etc than on a pc.
Regards.
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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:09:03 +0530
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Hey,
I have been noting declining contributions across Indian Wikipedias for the
last few months.
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/telugu-wikipedia-struggles-to-stay-afloat/article6255633.ece
triggered to write this mail.
This is my view on what's happening:
1. Most of the Indian Wikipedias have crossed 10 years. Many of the active
and first generation contributors are burnt out, taking a leave or have
left for good. If you are not creative, intentional and consistent in your
efforts to replenish and nurture the next generation, you will see a
declining trend.
2. Malayalam Wikipedia which once had 30 contributors who made 100+ edits a
month registered only 10 such editors in May 2014. The last time they had
activity this low was during May 2011. At the same time, their Wiki Source
is registering a phenomenal growth. So, some resources could be split
between projects too. This is a good reason to not start too many projects.
Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource should be good enough unless you have a
huge community.
3. Focus on offline projects like events, celebrations. While they are
good, over doing can stress few active contributors. In my experience,
every time after organizing some offline event, there is too much burn out
and people return after months.
4. Things that plague all global Wikipedias - archaic editor, social media
distractions, increasing use of tablets / smart phones.
Future will be quite challenging :)
Ravi
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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:09:22 +0530
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A large amount goes to experiments...if one third of that amount used
appreciating editors, we would have been a much better scenario.
On 29-Jul-2014 7:09 pm, "Ravishankar" <ravidreams@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> I have been noting declining contributions across Indian Wikipedias for
the last few months.
>
>
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/telugu-wikipedia-struggles-to-stay-afloat/article6255633.ece
>
> triggered to write this mail.
>
> This is my view on what's happening:
>
> 1. Most of the Indian Wikipedias have crossed 10 years. Many of the
active and first generation contributors are burnt out, taking a leave or
have left for good. If you are not creative, intentional and consistent in
your efforts to replenish and nurture the next generation, you will see a
declining trend.
>
> 2. Malayalam Wikipedia which once had 30 contributors who made 100+ edits
a month registered only 10 such editors in May 2014. The last time they had
activity this low was during May 2011. At the same time, their Wiki Source
is registering a phenomenal growth. So, some resources could be split
between projects too. This is a good reason to not start too many projects.
Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource should be good enough unless you have a
huge community.
>
> 3. Focus on offline projects like events, celebrations. While they are
good, over doing can stress few active contributors. In my experience,
every time after organizing some offline event, there is too much burn out
and people return after months.
>
> 4. Things that plague all global Wikipedias - archaic editor, social
media distractions, increasing use of tablets / smart phones.
>
> Future will be quite challenging :)
I'm sure more experiments coming our way to make the future less
challenging.. ;)
>
> Ravi
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:00:26 +0530
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Ansuman,
Money can't solve all problems and it can bring new problems too :)
Irrespective of availablilty or lack of funds, communities can really
manage things themselves.
If the communities don't plan and take initiatives, nothing can save the
projects.
Ravi
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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:52:38 +0530
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Yes, rightly said..here money is not solving one but creating many...
And only the community can save itself...not paid organizations... :)
On 29-Jul-2014 10:00 pm, "Ravishankar" <ravidreams@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ansuman,
>
> Money can't solve all problems and it can bring new problems too :)
>
> Irrespective of availablilty or lack of funds, communities can really
> manage things themselves.
>
> If the communities don't plan and take initiatives, nothing can save the
> projects.
>
> Ravi
>
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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:00:25 +0530
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In my suggestion/ recommendation we need to create vertical projects within
wiki-projects. It could be Indian space Environment, local destinations in
your city, etc. With this we should tap into colleges, schools and the
senior editors can look into inspiring the new and junior editors.
I am saying this in my personal capacity as a contributor to Wikipedia.
--
Moksh Juneja
Wikimedia India
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:52 PM, ansuman <ansumang@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, rightly said..here money is not solving one but creating many...
> And only the community can save itself...not paid organizations... :)
> On 29-Jul-2014 10:00 pm, "Ravishankar" <ravidreams@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ansuman,
>>
>> Money can't solve all problems and it can bring new problems too :)
>>
>> Irrespective of availablilty or lack of funds, communities can really
>> manage things themselves.
>>
>> If the communities don't plan and take initiatives, nothing can save the
>> projects.
>>
>> Ravi
>>
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