On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
I fully agree with Vicram and others who feel its only fair that we give the new organisation a chance to do good and succeed.  

Dhaval & Aravind, you are both right & wrong. You are right that large parts of the India Program's strategic decisions went wrong and should bear the major blame for the organisation's failure, but it is equally true in the debate which followed, no matter how justifiable, a lot of negative energy entered the atmosphere, making things difficult and disheartening for anyone who wanted to work sincerely. I'm sure I must contributed some of that negative energy myself too. So without trying to blame anyone, what Ravi said was essentially true also.

Dear Ashwin,

There are 2 separate issues here . Please address them seperately

1. Blaming community for the organizational management failures of WMF India program

 (read Ravi once gain  : "Indian Wikimedia office was burnt out precisely because of this negative approach from the community." , and a WMF Board member giving +100 to that) .  When you are working on an accountable position in front of a community there will be questions and critiques always. This is a usual phenomenon . Blaming the community for the organizational failures of WMF India team is not the solution for that . Ravisankar and Bishakha have a moral responsibility to explain this critique, since this is different from whatever WMF told us so far . I hope they will respond  and close this thread


2.  CIS A2K team.

I have hope in this program and I wish them all success. Also seconds all points raised by Ashwin and extending my support to the team.

~ Regards
Anivar