The point I made and the point that I make again. You did not ask, you do
not know and you consider your opinion to be of paramount importance. In
stead of asking you go from a fixed point of view that are limited and
denounce a plan because everything has to be done elsewhere first to be
Let me tell you how I see India. It is frighteningly big. It has a
bewildering amount of angles, viewpoints, possibilities and potential. To
realise the potential for the possibilities that exist in India,
experiments are in order and they do happen. They happen because the scale
is so huge. The Netherlands were I come from is small by comparison and in
many ways better developed. That does not matter much because India has the
potential to become as advanced and developed in the areas that I care for
What dreams do you have in relation to Wikidata. What potential do you see.
How do you realise such dreams. My dreams and how I see them come together
are and is documented on my blog. You can see it in the work I do.
Now Ravi what scares you or, can you see a future where we work and dream
together and "share the sum of the knowledge that is available to us" with
PS you may know that I was disheartened when I heard that the WMIN budget
was denied for the reasons given. It sucks. However, there is no point to
introduce this here. WMIN and CIS have their own budgets and their own
responsibilities. When the two find it in themselves to work together they
get more done. More done for the people in India, That is the one thing
that is important.
On 23 April 2014 20:46, Ravishankar <ravidreams(a)gmail.com> wrote:
( Context for others:
//If something new has to start and Wikidata is new, then it needs more
than just a video or a conference call.//
100s of Wikimedia projects, including many in India, didn't need any kind
//I gave a presentation to professionals who work in data. It took me an
hour to set up the environment with them and for them so that they could
start.. We had a meeting for three hours and we scratched the surface
enough to make a difference. The fact that we were together ensured good
faith and enough understanding.//
Are they Wikimedians? It is enough if Wikimedians can make sense of it.
If Wikimedians are not able to make sense of it, then we need to improve
Wiki Data for the global community too.
//I have seen some of the agenda and if only a fifth of what is started
pays of it is well worth the investment.//
talks about reducing focus on events.
WMIN's FDC proposal was heavily criticized for a focus on events and its
impact was questioned.
And yet, we have an event for Wiki Data with a proposed budget as follows:
This is 29.7% of the annual budget of WMIN !
To give a context this is almost 40% of the 2011 Wikimedia India
The single biggest expense in this Wiki Data Marathon program is the cost
for resource person which is 4,50,000 INR.
So much cost for a resource person for a month hints that this could be
someone visiting India from abroad.
Any idea who this is ? :)
Even University faculties don't understand Wikipedia editor and our
So, what do we do? Run marathons like this for all Wikipedia projects?
//Just consider what a challenge it is to bring Wikidata to India in a way
where it actually makes a difference.//
Please provide evidence that this is an India specific problem. When
communities don't even get the decade long Wikipedia project, it is only
expected that they won't get Wiki Data too.
How good is Wiki Data adoption in similar parts of the word and how do you
Wikimediaindia-l mailing list
To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit