In fact, bot edits in Indian Wikis is also an interesting metric. For
example, see the below table to understand share of the *percentage of bot
edits* across some major Indian wikis.
- Bengali - 76
- Bishnupriya Manipuri - 97
- Gujarati - 37
- Hindi - 50
- Kannada - 59
- Malayalam - 42
- Marathi - 62
- Sanskrit - 85
- Tamil - 51
- Telugu - 51
- Urdu - 59
I know that for some Indian language wikipedians the only relevant metric is
*number of articles*. But of course, not for the Malayalam wikipedians. We
saw much value in all the metric that is published at
. I know many others are also finding value to
it, that is why it is published every month.
Shiju Alex
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 6:33 PM, BalaSundaraRaman <sundarbecse(a)yahoo.com>wrote;wrote:
Praveen,
You've shown how much insight we can glean by provoking Malayalam Wiki
friends. ;)
We all got a great inside view of the different aspects of participation in
one of the finest Indian wikis.
So if anybody believes that Malayalam Wikipedia
is irrelevant, I welcome
them to there to check its irrelevancy and contribute
their home
wikii until it become irrelevant like Malayalam
Wikipedia. :)
I don't think anyone doubted that.
- Sundar
"That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium
for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted."
- George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture
*From:* praveenp <me.praveen(a)gmail.com>
*To:* Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. <
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*Sent:* Thu, January 27, 2011 5:58:25 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10
Lakh/1 million edits milestone
On Thursday 27 January 2011 10:31 AM, Ravishankar wrote:
Its not just about stubs.
We have users in Tamil Wikipedia who bulk upload 100s of complete articles
they wrote offline with just one edit per article. One great article can be
uploaded in one click and one mediocre article can have 100s of edits.
According to
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias
*"Depths above 300 for
Wikipedias<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#Notes>be… 100 000
articles have been automatically dismissed as irrelevant."
*
When we focus on number of articles, some end up creating useless stubs.
The same should not happen when we focus on edit counts.
Ravi
This may be nothing related to original thread. Sorry. Malayalam wikipedia
has its strength and its weakness.
Depth is just an indicator of collaborative character of editors. For a
massive multiauthor collaboration site, some measurement mechanism is better
than none. But I don't think large number of edits are bad. If anyone thinks
that articel by single edit is better than multi edited article, I must say
thats not wiki style :( .
But there is an another issue, number of bot edits. Many ml users, mainly
students, like to play with bots. Malayalam Wikipedia has never discouraged
anyone for testing their bots (if their edits are okay), because user
satisfaction is also a Wikipedia goal. We know that eventually they will
create a great bot :). Sometimes running a bot is not very simple. I had a
spell checker bot and I had to overview all of its edits, because of
Malayalam's ligatures and grammatical rules [or may be because bad logic
;-)]. Even after running couple of months, it threw exceptions. So I'll say
bot edits also are a kind of manual inputs. Now there are many global bots,
most of them contributing interwiki. Bot conflict and bot-edit-war occurs
occasionally which we usually avoided by protecting the page or by noticing
the owner (Recent eg: See history of
വർഗ്ഗം:ഫലകങ്ങൾ<http://ml.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B4%B5%E0%B5…)story>).
Malayalam Wikipedia is a small wiki, just over 16000 pages on main
namespace, so it is easy to exaggerate bot contribution. But actually it is
not, whenever a bot identified as doing unwanted edit it gets blocked.
There are many wiki-projects which always engage users to do something on
wiki. So whenever a user find an error, even it is the minute one, he/she
corrects it. Nobody waits for large content to edit. Many portal (കവാടം)
pages are there, which helps users to find their favourite topic.
In ml.wp - many pages in category namespace (there is an active
categorization wiki-project, which keeps articles finely categorized), large
number of templates and many help pages and project pages with good content
(I'm sure that many of these help pages and project pages are really useful
to new users to jump start wikipedia) are available. I think we are using
talk pages aslo very well.
It is clear from depth formula, that all these factors can be incremental
to "depth". So if anybody believes that Malayalam Wikipedia is irrelevant, I
welcome them to there to check its irrelevancy and contribute their home
wikii until it become irrelevant like Malayalam Wikipedia. :)
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