Hi Arun,

//Compared to the huge amount of subscribers this list has, the number of participants has probably not exceeded 20 in the last one year//

Even for WMF's FDC proposal in Meta, only a handful of people participated.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/Wikimedia_Foundation/Proposal_form

Does that mean there is no one in the Wikimedia movement globally? :)

//This indicates that the discussions taking place here are really not conducive for any sort of community participation.//

Mailing lists and Meta are places where community meets to discuss few issues but the real work takes place outside these place. For a veteran like you, I shouldn't be explaining these things.

Only less than 5% of very active contributors can grasp these organizational issues and participating in these discussions are not their priority.

//Lets continue to blame CIS, WMF, US dollars, fat salaries, vested interests, experiments and everyone else for what is our collective failure to set an example of how a community works. //

First of all, we haven't failed. Activity in most of the Indian Wikipedia projects are business as usual or the problems they face are expected.

I have tried to explain the problems we face and the strategies we should adopt at

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Community_Consultation_2014#Opinions_2

Please feel free to discuss there.

Coming to the blaming part, I am not blaming anyone either. When we introspect, we can only do a context based holistic analysis.

Let WMF and CIS try doing what they are doing in any mature community like Wikimedia Germany and let us see how those communities respond :)

//If we are looking at any sort of unity, lets first pick out our own faults before pointing the finger at others.//

Chapter's governance issues and community's unity need not be one and the same.

I feel as a community we can still move forward if we discuss things in a productive way instead of washing dirty linen in public.

Ravi