Thanks,
Anirudh
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi
<
i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Anirudh,
>
> Please direct me to the response/clarification from Wikimedia India
> Executive Committee.
>
> Only Sunil has made the whole thing clear and now its "only" You who is
> saying -
> It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be
> travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on
> matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee
> has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are
> in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is
> nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds
> chapter activities.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Abhishek Suryawanshi,
> On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Anirudh Bhati <
anirudhsbh@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Abhishek,
>>
>> I noticed that you have been repetitively raising the same issues over
>> and over again. The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia
>> India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions. It is
>> clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be
>> travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on
>> matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee
>> has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are
>> in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is
>> nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds
>> chapter activities.
>>
>> I have to ask you to please refrain from sending further emails on
>> this topic. If you ignore this warning, I will have to put your
>> account on moderation.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Anirudh
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi
>> <
i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Dear Executive Committee,
>> > Wikimedia India Chapter.
>> >
>> >
>> > Could you be please be kind enough to clarify, Why EC was/is interested
>> > in
>> > misguiding mailing list and Indian community?
>> >
>> >
>> > When asked about CIS funding - Executive Committee member wrote :
>> >
>> >> The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so.
>> >> If
>> >> the CIS funds us, it will be madw public.
>> >
>> >
>> > Then why weren't they made public by you? CIS clearly stated - they are
>> > funding Chapter, and in past (also) they have supported in-kind.
>> >
>> > Why is the hesitation for acknowledging this? On the contrary - there is
>> > strong rejection of even having any kind of connection with CIS from
>> > Chapter
>> > representatives. (On the other hand CIS is graciously open/alright to
>> > acknowledge links with the Chapter)
>> >
>> >
>> > On A Query about CIS funding Chapter Flight Tickets : Response from
>> > Secretary was-
>> >
>> >> .....making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list,
>> >
>> >
>> > Which part was unsubstantiated? Its the reality that this time Chapter
>> > Board Member's Flight tickets ARE covered by CIS even if it includes
>> > training the A2K team.
>> > (CIS has already made it clear on this mailing list)
>> >
>> >
>> > Why there is hesitation/resistance to have transparency?
>> >
>> > Also, the Chapter President gave statement on same thread -
>> >
>> >> Please be open and transparent to the
>> >> community. The more you become transparent, it is better for all.
>> >
>> >
>> > Are Chapter EC Members exception to this?
>> >
>> > On same lines, Another EC Members says -
>> >
>> >> The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS,
>> >
>> >
>> > As correctly stated by , Chapter is having money from WMF, Which comes
>> > from
>> > individual donations. So ideally
>> > Chapter should be accountable to the overall community and not just its
>> > members, as rightly pointed out by someone
>> >
>> > Again, What is the need to find excuses for transparency?
>> >
>> > When there was statement that ''AGM travel expense is covered'' instead
>> > of
>> > correcting statement and saying, its wrong - and CIS is paying for Board
>> > Trip (which is coinciding with CIS training!)
>> > Even Chapter President preferred to give out half truth and kept
>> > everyone in
>> > dark. And there was Secretary and another EC Member to take whole
>> > mailing
>> > list on a ride!
>> >
>> >
>> > Why it is important?
>> >
>> > This could be start of new era - Where CIS supports Chapter financially
>> > whenever needed.
>> > (or in-kind as they did in past and hopefully will continue to do so).
>> >
>> > So more and more volunteer efforts can be devoted for
>> > outreach/activities.
>> >
>> >> Please remember that chapter is representation of the community and
>> >> works for the community
>> >
>> >
>> > Current scenario gives wrong interpretation and implies that community
>> > should not raise questions on transparency because after-all we are your
>> > representation! Either consult community before lying or speak
>> > (complete)
>> > truth.
>> >
>> >> Here is response from Sunil,CIS -
>> >>
>> >> This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related
>> >> expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a
>> >> training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in
>> >> Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also organising
>> >> a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. I was not aware of this
>> >> when I reached out to the EC and asked for their support us.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From Sunil's mail it is clear that Sunil extended the offer in
>> > good-faith,
>> > unaware of Chapter-Board meeting falling at the same time. However
>> > Chapter
>> > also seems to have taken this opportunity and is now shy to accept. I
>> > don't
>> > understand why?
>> >
>> > And why CIS was also kept in dark?
>> >
>> >
>> >> CIS will cover air travel and accommodation for all EC members. CIS
>> >> will
>> >> also provide per diem for meals that are not provided during the
>> >> training. Unfortunately, we don't have a separate budget for fees.
>> >
>> >
>> > Along with 'air Travel', CIS is providing accommodation too.
>> > And Last sentence about fee budget is interesting.
>> >
>> >
>> > If Chapter is expecting public support for fundraising and other
>> > activities,
>> > then it should be more transparent and 'should avoid organized and
>> > dedicated
>> > efforts to misguide community/keep in dark.'
>> >
>> >
>> > And Hope so CIS takes care of all the
>> > remaining Chapter financial needs as well, Just keep community in loop.
>> > And
>> > Thanks to Sunil/ CIS for being transparent and open.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Keep Clarifying, Keep Inspiring!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -Abhishek Suryawanshi,
>> > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: Sunil Abraham <
sunil@mahiti.org>
>> > Date: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
>> > To: Abhishek Suryawanshi <
i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com>
>> > Cc: Wikimedia India Community list
>> > <
wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Abhishek,
>> >
>> > CIS is not supporting travel expenses for Chapter EC meetings. Nor has
>> > CIS provided funding to the Chapter so far from the Wikipedia grant.
>> > CIS has provided in-kind support to the Chapter in previous financial
>> > years for ex. society registration costs and the costs of their
>> > financial adviser during their first financial year. We strongly
>> > suppor
>> >
>> > This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related
>> > expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a
>> > training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in
>> > Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also organising
>> > a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. I was not aware of this
>> > when I reached out to the EC and asked for their support us.
>> >
>> > Dear Friends,
>> >
>> > In the first week of March, we hope to release a 6-monthly report of
>> > the utilization of the grant so far. Usually we only provide an annual
>> > consolidated report for all grants at the ledger group level. But for
>> > this particular grant we will increase the degree of transparency to
>> > address concerns of the community. If you have any suggestions on how
>> > we should structure this report or if you have any further questions
>> > about how CIS is spending the grant allocated do not hesitate to ask
>> > me.
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> >
>> > Sunil
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -------- Original Message --------
>> > Subject: Training of CIS-A2K team on 23 or 24 of February
>> > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:48:42 +0530
>> > From: Sunil Abraham <
sunil@cis-india.org>
>> > To: Wikimedia India EC <
wikimedia-in-exec@lists.wikimedia.org>
>> >
>> > Attn:
>> > Sudhanwa Jogalekar
>> > Karthik Nadar
>> > Anirudh Singh Bhati
>> > Nikita Belavate
>> > Pranav Curumsey
>> > Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>> > Viswa Prabha
>> >
>> > Dear Members of the Wikimedia India EC,
>> >
>> > Hope 2013 has gotten of to an excellent start for all of you.
>> >
>> > CIS is organising a training for the A2K team on the 22nd, 23rd and 24th
>> > of February in Bangalore. The new Programme Director - Vishnu Vardhan
>> > will also be attending this event. We would like the EC to spend one day
>> > training the team on a variety of issues. We would prefer if you opt for
>> > either 23rd or the 24th as we have some other trainers that have
>> > confirmed for the 22nd.
>> >
>> > CIS will cover air travel and accommodation for all EC members. CIS will
>> > also provide per diem for meals that are not provided during the
>> > training. Unfortunately, we don't have a separate budget for fees.
>> >
>> > This idea has been discussed with Anasuya Sengupta and Jessie Wild at
>> > the Wikimedia Foundation and they have supported it.
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> >
>> > Sunil
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi
>> > <
i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear Sunil,
>> >>
>> >> Could you please share information about CIS supporting Chapter Travel
>> >> expenses?
>> >>
>> >> And Its nice and positive move, Great to see CIS continues to support
>> >> movement in India.
>> >> Volunteers can devote their time in doing activities and CIS can
>> >> support
>> >> as
>> >> per request.
>> >>
>> >> As Chapter is shy/silent about acknowledging funding from CIS - Hope so
>> >> your
>> >> reply will clarify that CIS is there to support Chapter activities
>> >> irrespective of criticism.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Keep Supporting, Keep Inspiring! :)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Abhishek Suryawanshi,
>> >> On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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