woods are lovely dark and deep,
but i have promises to keep and
miles to go before i sleep and
lines to go before I press sleep
completion date = (start date + ((estimated effort x 3.1415926) /
resources) + ((total coffee breaks x 0.25) / 24)) + Effort in meetings
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:12 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
rsrikanth05(a)gmail.com> wrote:
So we need to keep a patrol dedicated to
watching these guys.. But are
they still doing it? I thought Google stopped? Besides, they're like
lightenening.. You never know when or where they're gonna strike.. :D
On 24 February 2010 09:02, BalaSundaraRaman <sundarbecse(a)yahoo.com>wrote;wrote:
> In Tamil wiki too we're extremely concerned about quality. That's why
> even GaneshBot was constrained. On this issue, we're keeping an open mind
> and it's still in a pilot stage.
>
> sundar from mobile
>
> Jyothis Edathoot wrote:
> > While we welcome the efforts and contributions, all wikis may not be
> equipped with enuf active users to handle such a flood. if a flood of low
> quality articles or translations come by, such projects may take (much)
> longer to recover and regain the drop of quality. While quantity benefits
> out of such a flood, that may end up compromising the quality of the wiki.
> It may not always in th interest of the local community. Regards, Jyothis.
> Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2010, at 3:03 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> rsrikanth05(a)gmail.com > wrote: Shiju,
> > Can't we just go ahead normally? If these Google guys make mistakes,
> we just correct them and go on. If they resist, then explain or warn them?
> > Regards,
> > On 23 February 2010 21:08, Shiju Alex < shijualexonline(a)gmail.com >
> wrote:
> > There should be proper co-ordination between each language community
> and the Google. In Malayalam Wikipedia, we already tried collaborative
> translation of some English Wiki articles 2 years back. But that was a
> failure and we dropped that. One of the main issue with word-to-word
> translation is that the entire article will have the sentences constructed
> with artificial words and phrases. The reader will run away from that type
> of articles.
> > If there is no proper agreement between wiki community and Google
> the community may resist. For the sake of Google translation, Wikis should
> not not be flooded with articles. Some wikis might be interested in using
> this service to increase the article count. But not all communities will
> agree to that.
> > The problem of paid translation and word-to-word translation are
> many. Each language community might have different issues regarding
> word-to-word translation/paid translation. Each of them need to be addressed
> separately.
> > So it is very important that Google agrees to the point mentioned in
> the below mail, and there should be proper communication between Google and
> respective language communities. Shiju
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Ravi shankar <
> ravidreams_03(a)yahoo.com > wrote:
> > Hi all, regarding the mail below: Sundar and I have initiated
> contacts with Google on coordinating their article contributions.
> > Google has agreed in principle for the demands below. We hope we can
> update all Indian Wikis about the progress in this collaboration, say in a
> month or two. Then it may be a good model for all Indian Wikis to follow.
> So, it may be a good idea for all Indian Wikis to wait during this period so
> Google need not have to do the same consensus evolving approach with many
> wikis.
> > Thanks, ravi
> >
> >
> > From: Ravi shankar < ravidreams_03(a)yahoo.com > To:
> wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> > Sent: Fri, December 25, 2009 11:30:27 AM Subject: Coordinating
> Google translation kit articles
> > Hi all, Following the recent Wiki meet in Bangalore, Sundar (Tamil
> Wikipedian) brought to our notice that Google is contributing to various
> Indian language Wikis using Google translation kit and paid translators. In
> Tamil Wiki, we feel a strong need to corordinate / organize this activity
> andwe hope it is the same situation in many Indian language wikis.
> > So, may I propose that we discuss this in this mailing list and send
> a common notification from Indian language wikis to Google India? To begin
> with I propose the following. Please add to the list. 1. Google should
> appoint one coordinator each for every Indian language wiki where they
> contribute articles. This coordinator should be available to reach by mail
> and be adequately responsive (Say, once a week at least). He will take
> feedback from the wiki community and pass it to the paid contributors.
> > 2. If Googe policy allows, they should know us the time frame and
> scale of this operation so we can plan accordingly. 3. Google should not
> translate existing articles because they are over riding previous
> contributions.
> > 4. Each Wiki can submit a list of needed articles and the
> translators can consider giving priority from them. 5. Each Wiki can draft
> an essential Manual of Style which the translators shall follow. 6. Based on
> the responses for above, we shall periodically re-evaluate how we can
> continue to cooperate with Google.
> > After we finalise the list , some one of us who has links with
> Google India team can take this forward. Thanks, Ravi (Tamil Wiki)
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