Hi Kevin,
 
You completely took it wrong. The intention was not to stop you, but to get enough people who might be little hesitant to come here and share their words. I would repeat the same that your comments are always welcome. :-)
 
 
Just to add to more what Dhaval has said and I have indicated the same on the meta discussion page; I would prescribly like to know why the staffs at CIS-A2K are not paid as per Indian standards. You'll never see such a money going out in India at non-profit standards. I will not like to see an example of Reliance or Tata here, as they have sufficient money and resources to back-up everything in worst case situations.
 
 
Thanks,
Karthik Nadar.

On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas <dsvyas@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Kevin,

// Looking at the table, it looks like CIS-A2K's total staff budget is a little shy of $300k a year.  The FDC is currently handing out what, $6m USD a year?  Even if CIS was entirely funded out of the FDC (and it isn't, their APG request is for less than $300k,) that's pretty much a drop in the bucket of available funds.//

Do you suppose that because WMF & FDC operate in currency called USD, which has a reasonably high value in Forex market than the currency called INR, in which this grant is going to be utilised, makes it valid to fund in unethical way? I work in a huge company who outsources its work to India and Poland just for the fact that salary structures and costs are quite low in those countries.

I can't buy your argument, with all due respect to your experience and knowledge, that because it is insignificant ammount, WMF should not think about unreasonable salaries. If that is the point, when WMIN's grant was reviewed, why was this point forgotten? Or are you advising that at that time WMF did not hand out such huge (6 million USD) a year?

Dhaval

On 30 Apr 2014 16:36, "Kevin Gorman" <kgorman@gmail.com> wrote:
Like Gerard, I'm quite confused at the purpose of trying to get people to stop donating to the Wikimedia Foundation, and am a bit disappointed to see such a suggestion coming from someone who holds advanced rights on some of the projects. I also note that the response of CIS-A2K's executive director notes that if it is determined there is a problem in terms of their salary structure, it is one he wants to address, even if it may take some time to do so because he (reasonably, imo) doesn't want to cut the salaries of current employees steeply.  Looking at the table, it looks like CIS-A2K's total staff budget is a little shy of $300k a year.  The FDC is currently handing out what, $6m USD a year?  Even if CIS was entirely funded out of the FDC (and it isn't, their APG request is for less than $300k,) that's pretty much a drop in the bucket of available funds.

It's been made clear that just because CIS may be awarded funds doesn't mean that WMIN won't also be awarded funds, and that the entities aren't in direct competition with each other.  Trying to do something like get people to boycott donating to the WMF because CIS is asking for a fraction of a percent of WMF's total budget and something like 5% of available FDC funds to be given to them is pointless if you don't succeed and shooting yourself in the foot if you do succeed.  If you were partially successful, your own funding in future years would likely be diminished due to less overall availability of funds, and if you were fully successful... well, Wikipedia wouldn't exist.

Best,
Kevin Gorman


On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 1:50 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi,
What is unclear in the response of Asaf that there is no relation between the money received by CIS and the Indian chapter? There is no rupee less available to India when either CIS or the Indian chapter gets less money. When you spoil it for CIS, you spoil it for India.

When the Indian chapter finds it in itself to cooperate with CIS, the likelyhood is that it will inherit its programs and budget at the end of its run. With your campaign to stop asking people to donate to the WMF, you spoil it for both. It is NOT a zero sum game and you have everything to lose. This is a great way to lose everything.. 

Ravi what is your motivation, how do you gain?
Thanks,
      GerardM


On 30 April 2014 10:07, Ravishankar <ravidreams@gmail.com> wrote:
Why should Wikimedia donors pay for the mistakes of the WMF?

I am thinking if we should start campaigning asking people not to donate to WMF citing wasteful expenditures like these.

Please point if any such campaign already exists.

Ravi

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