On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Gerard MeijssenThat is a fair and an extremely pertinent point. However, dictionaries
> I totally agree that there are translation dictionaries for many languages.
> However, putting such content to work IS a big issue.Typically such
> dictionaries are only available as a dead wood publication. People either
> have one or don't and the only thing they are good for is finding the
> corresponding word in the other language anyway.
(if we are using the same meaning for the word!) are by themselves
merely lists of words. A lack of a freely available dictionary or, a
list of translated terms is not a complete blocker to content. A lack
of a strong spell checker might be. But, I wouldn't put such emphasis
on an organized list like a dictionary.
And, my take is that what is required is more focused and stronger
> My point is that such content be put to work.
investment over repeated cycles into automated translation systems,
especially perhaps Statistical-MT.
Webfonts and, Input methods are aids - they seed first round of
> Yes, I totally agree that there are issues to use many languages on the
> Internet. However, the WMF has in its tooling the ability to bring you
> webfonts and input methods for many/most languages. When we get to work with
> publishers / enthusiasts for specific languages we CAN add these to the
> existing languages. As the WMF toolkit can be used on Chrome and Firefox
> browsers, it means that this toolkit is very much avaiclaanble for more
content generation and, continue to impact generation of content over
a period. For example, ULS has made it possible for content creators
of websites to stop worrying about having to limit themselves to a
couple of languages. But, what's beyond ULS? Surely there is something
that needs to be improved. Where's the plan for the "WMF Toolkit"?
An analogy would be chalk and, blackboard. However, writing materials
are not limited *only to* chalk and blackboard or, quills and
parchment. There is a need to push sustained and well thought out
efforts into creation of content that is relevant, available and,
especially well curated. Unfortunately, WMF has not done much
discussion in public about content translation pieces except for a
thread of ideas initiated by Erik. And, I have not read any plan of
action that talks about how to even think about doing this and, making
it available. Then again, the content of the world is not limited to
Wikipedia. Content is being created/written everywhere (even this
discussion is content perhaps worth having in multiple languages)
I am not disagreeing with your position. I am merely citing that there
> So yes, there are more problems but for many if not most languages content
> is king if we want to bring more languages to the Internet. And, yes we can
> when we put our lexical content to it.
needs to be augmentation to the basic plumbing of languages that is
already existing and, there needs to be some thought about what the
next step of efforts would be.
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