Wikimedia India is an Indian organization, and the Wikimedia Foundation does not have a say in its internal governance.  It does, of course, have great *influence*, insofar as it is historically its biggest funder, and in that it can revoke its recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate.  I state this just for clarity, so that no one is confused about WMF's role in this discussion.  This is a matter for Wikimedia India and the communities in India which it exists to serve, and not a WMF matter.

However, since you ask me directly, Abhinav, yes, I think this public inquiry (which was brought up respectfully and patiently, and only became shrill because of *your* ad hominem responses) is perfectly acceptable, and an office bearer's accountability is a duty that cannot be argued away by invoking "privacy". Rahul's travel was not private, but made *as* an office bearer, and there can be no privacy concern about it.

I agree with Srikar: your repeated tactic of attempting to discredit the people who raised concerns is inappropriate, aggressive, uncollegial, unhelpful, and for those not convinced of your good faith, also probably suggesting an attempt to cover something up or change the subject by any means necessary. 

Now, *I myself* trust there is no reason to cover anything up. As I already said earlier in this thread, if a mistake was made, it can be openly admitted; in my experience Wikimedians are exceptionally open and forgiving when faced with honest admission of error or bad judgment. And if no mistake was made, then clarifications can be offered and understanding and trust regained.

Rahul has now explained the circumstances of his non-responsiveness, and people have expressed understanding and patience, while declining his suggestion that this should be discussed privately.  Rahul now can take the time he needs to explain his actions to the community, which is the constituency he is to serve.



On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 20:44 Abhinav srivastava <> wrote:

Perhaps it would be advisable to hear from Mr Asaf Bartov and if we can throw some light. 

Whether best practices call for taking name publicly or should the concerned persons approach CIS and WMIN and get the details.  

On Thursday, September 13, 2018, Abhinav srivastava <> wrote:
It is necessary my friend. Name game business is no sign of maturity. Rest, report has already been shared. 

Affcom member who is selected and not elected showing biases concerns me. This chapter only made him a featured wikimedians and assisted him and his friends. His friend has also acknowledged the help on this thread when EC members paid from their pocket to support him. He still hasn't finished the report but we don't do sensationalism. 

Post Script : Just a general though based on today morning newspapers. India has become a hub of online trolling where one asks the other to respond. I am happy they are restricted to social media and not us here. 

I personally respect you for your work on en Wikipedia and also helping the chapter. I will not reply if you feel so. Suggestion taken.


On Thu 13 Sep, 2018, 10:34 PM Srikar Kashyap Pulipaka, <> wrote:
<Just a random observation>

Dear Abhinav,

I feel you have been overly enthusiastic in responding to the mails in this thread. I clearly don't find *anything* personal and offensive in Satdeep's email. That was a totally uncalled for attack on him. It is indeed true that Rahul must answer a few questions raised in this thread *himself*. I strongly suggest that we let Rahul address all the concerns himself in this thread once and for all. I don't expect your reply to this mail and hope you don't too. It's not necessary.


On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:19 PM Abhinav srivastava <> wrote:
Comrade Satdeep, 

Respect one's personal privacy. You can approach CIS-A2K or Mr Deshmukh and WMIN and know who invited. Rest, report and documentation has already been shared. You can also write on the discussion page on Meta where report has been shared and find out, if you really want an individual's name public. I am not convinced why an international volunteers name need to be called. 

You are not even an elected member at Affcom, if my memory serves me correctly. You did not hold any work experience which was written as mandatory for the office you are holding. I am not sure if you shared any report for the Hindi contractual job. You want to discuss everything about you on a personal mail. 

Why the difference? 


On Thu 13 Sep, 2018, 9:35 PM Satdeep Gill, <> wrote:
Hi Rahul,

It's very sad to hear about your loss. I totally understand how difficult it must have been for you and rest of your family.

Thanks a lot responding to this thread. I understand your request to personally email you but there are many unanswered questions such as information about the inviting organization, reporting etc. in this thread and it would be better if you can answer all the questions one by one in one email on this thread itself.

Let me know if you need any help in collecting all the questions in one email. I am available to help you. Otherwise, just go through the whole thread (which will provide you with enough context as well).

I agree with you that this discussion will help WMIN and the larger wikimedia community as well. It will also help us ensure more transparency in our processes.

Looking forward to hear from you! Thank you once again for taking out some time to reply here. I believe you must not be fully available yet. So, take your time and respond whenever you can in the coming weeks.


On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 7:09 PM Rahul Deshmukh <> wrote:

Dear all,

I am extremely sorry to inform you that my younger cousin brother passed away last Friday from severe medical complications. He was just 38 and had been hospitalised for several weeks in critical stage.

Being engrossed in the family issue I was not able to reply the thread for which I am extremely sorry.

Regarding the issue as discussed in the thread I had requested for sponsorship with all needful information from external funding agency CIS, and CIS agreed to it.  Wikimedia India did not spend any fund from its account. 

However this discussion will be helpful for Wikimedia India while disseminating WMIN’s funds in future.  

In case someone wants any other information  in this regard I would request community members to personally email me.


Rahul Deshmukh

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar <> wrote:

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 3:47 PM Subhashish Panigrahi <> wrote:
Just a technical clarification - Asaf copied Rahul in his first emai so he must have received the email. I have copied Rahul again. In worst case scenario (if he is not there in the mailing list), others from the chapter board would have informed him. It’s very hard to believe that the discussion has gone so far without Rahul not being aware Also, it’s important for movement partner reps to be on mailing lists of their own country. 

My bad. Haven't noticed Rahul is also marked in the mails.

Sorry, I don’t find the argument — that Rahul hasn’t replied back because he isn’t there in the mailing list — a strong one.

Completely agree that he should reply.


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