Changed the subject line :D . The discussion has deviated very much from
the original subject. :P
Percentage of bot edits is interesting. Is it possible to differentiate
interwiki & non-inter-wiki bot edits on a Wikipedia ? Thoughts ?
- Tinu Cherian
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com>wrote:
> In fact, bot edits in Indian Wikis is also an interesting metric. For
> example, see the below table to understand share of the *percentage of bot
> edits* across some major Indian wikis.
> - Bengali - 76
> - Bishnupriya Manipuri - 97
> - Gujarati - 37
> - Hindi - 50
> - Kannada - 59
> - Malayalam - 42
> - Marathi - 62
> - Sanskrit - 85
> - Tamil - 51
> - Telugu - 51
> - Urdu - 59
> I know that for some Indian language wikipedians the only relevant metric
> is *number of articles*. But of course, not for the Malayalam wikipedians.
> We saw much value in all the metric that is published at
> http://stats.wikimedia.org/. I know many others are also finding value to
> it, that is why it is published every month.
> Shiju Alex
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 6:33 PM, BalaSundaraRaman <sundarbecse(a)yahoo.com>wrote:
>> You've shown how much insight we can glean by provoking Malayalam Wiki
>> friends. ;)
>> We all got a great inside view of the different aspects of participation
>> in one of the finest Indian wikis.
>> > So if anybody believes that Malayalam Wikipedia is irrelevant, I welcome
>> them to there to check its irrelevancy and contribute their home
>> > wikii until it become irrelevant like Malayalam Wikipedia. :)
>> I don't think anyone doubted that.
>> - Sundar
>> "That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium
>> for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted."
>> - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture
>> *From:* praveenp <me.praveen(a)gmail.com>
>> *To:* Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. <
>> *Sent:* Thu, January 27, 2011 5:58:25 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10
>> Lakh/1 million edits milestone
>> On Thursday 27 January 2011 10:31 AM, Ravishankar wrote:
>> Its not just about stubs.
>> We have users in Tamil Wikipedia who bulk upload 100s of complete articles
>> they wrote offline with just one edit per article. One great article can be
>> uploaded in one click and one mediocre article can have 100s of edits.
>> According to
>> *"Depths above 300 for Wikipedias<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#Notes>below 100 000 articles have been automatically dismissed as irrelevant."
>> When we focus on number of articles, some end up creating useless stubs.
>> The same should not happen when we focus on edit counts.
>> This may be nothing related to original thread. Sorry. Malayalam wikipedia
>> has its strength and its weakness.
>> Depth is just an indicator of collaborative character of editors. For a
>> massive multiauthor collaboration site, some measurement mechanism is better
>> than none. But I don't think large number of edits are bad. If anyone thinks
>> that articel by single edit is better than multi edited article, I must say
>> thats not wiki style :( .
>> But there is an another issue, number of bot edits. Many ml users, mainly
>> students, like to play with bots. Malayalam Wikipedia has never discouraged
>> anyone for testing their bots (if their edits are okay), because user
>> satisfaction is also a Wikipedia goal. We know that eventually they will
>> create a great bot :). Sometimes running a bot is not very simple. I had a
>> spell checker bot and I had to overview all of its edits, because of
>> Malayalam's ligatures and grammatical rules [or may be because bad logic
>> ;-)]. Even after running couple of months, it threw exceptions. So I'll say
>> bot edits also are a kind of manual inputs. Now there are many global bots,
>> most of them contributing interwiki. Bot conflict and bot-edit-war occurs
>> occasionally which we usually avoided by protecting the page or by noticing
>> the owner (Recent eg: See history of വർഗ്ഗം:ഫലകങ്ങൾ<http://ml.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B4%B5%E0%B5%BC%E0%B4%97%E0%B5…>).
>> Malayalam Wikipedia is a small wiki, just over 16000 pages on main
>> namespace, so it is easy to exaggerate bot contribution. But actually it is
>> not, whenever a bot identified as doing unwanted edit it gets blocked.
>> There are many wiki-projects which always engage users to do something on
>> wiki. So whenever a user find an error, even it is the minute one, he/she
>> corrects it. Nobody waits for large content to edit. Many portal (കവാടം)
>> pages are there, which helps users to find their favourite topic.
>> In ml.wp - many pages in category namespace (there is an active
>> categorization wiki-project, which keeps articles finely categorized), large
>> number of templates and many help pages and project pages with good content
>> (I'm sure that many of these help pages and project pages are really useful
>> to new users to jump start wikipedia) are available. I think we are using
>> talk pages aslo very well.
>> It is clear from depth formula, that all these factors can be incremental
>> to "depth". So if anybody believes that Malayalam Wikipedia is irrelevant, I
>> welcome them to there to check its irrelevancy and contribute their home
>> wikii until it become irrelevant like Malayalam Wikipedia. :)
Stepping in here without knowing all there is to about this, so excuse
me if there are gaps.
It seems to me as if no one metric in any way outdoes others; i.e. one
high metric is just that, and can be well celebrated on it's own without
imputing (or relating to) 'overall' strength/ success based on multiple
Might it make sense to think of it this way? That is to say, the overall
strength of a language Wikipedia is something like the overall strength
of an average Wikipedian; a good score on a commonly acceptable metric
is a wonderful thing but by no means is *the* thing. In the discussion
so far, it doesn't seem to as if you can substitute depth with any other
metric (even a more commonly acceptable one like article count) and say
that a particular language Wikipedia - as a whole - is better on that
basis. Simultaneously, it doesn't mean that an achievement in depth is
anything to scoff at either..
It seems as if there are a whole host of tangible and intangible factors
that make up the success of a Wikimedia project; some are measurable,
others definitely not.
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> Tinu Cherian
Lennart is organising a survey to understand why users register in Wikipedia at
During the first phase, English, German, French, Spanish, Swedish, Bengali and
Bahasa Melayu are targetted.
Some preliminary results are given at:
It would be nice if we can localise the survey and run it in most of our
wikipedias. If anybody wants to volunteer to localise the survey, please get in
touch with Lennart (copied) or drop a message in the talk page above.
"That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for
the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted."
- George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture
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*Our office in India will be the first time the Wikimedia Foundation has
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widely spoken in India. It's experimental for us. If we're successful in
recruiting new Wikipedia editors in India, we will try the same tactics in
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Forwarding the announcement about Mysore photowalk on 30th January, 2011.
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From: Kiran Ravikumar
Date: Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:14 PM
Subject: [Wikimedia-in-blr] Wiki Mysore Photowalk
Wikipedia celebrated its 10th anniversary on 15th January 11.
The Wiki enthusiasts in Mysore organised a meet up on the 16th of Jan 2011
to commemorate this occasion.
Also we had a plan to have Wikipedia Photowalk.
So on 30th January we've organised a Photowalk here in Mysore.
The locations planned to cover is city center (Palace, Town hall, etc)
We'll meet near Chikka Gadiyaara (Vasavi vircle) [near south gate of Devraja
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