Dear all ,
I was surprised at this sudden decision that was taken on one side,
usually these decisions must be taken with all members of Wikimedia TN user
group, at least, everyone gives his opinion about this misunderstanding.
I do not defend Mounir or any other person, but Mr Yamen and Mr Habib
this decision is not shared and granted by all the members of this group
and as Abdelwaheb said,Mounr is a potential member in this group,even he
took the initiative to organize the WikiIndaba 2018.
Thank you for reviewing this decision.
Greetings.
ᐧ
2017-09-21 10:40 GMT+01:00 abdelwaheb turki <turkiabdelwaheb(a)hotmail.fr>fr>:
Dear Friends,
I do not think that this decision is excellent now because we are
preparing for WikiIndaba 2018 and because such decisions can cause some
problems in the organization of the conference. In fact, Mounir had made
the grant application to organize WikiIndaba 2018 on behalf on Wikimedia TN
User Group. He has even discussed with some people for Wikimedia Foundation
and WikiAfrica. If we drop him from the group, we will have to repeat this
discussion from its beginning. I propose instead to discuss this problem
with Mounir directly or by phone and not by email messages so that we can
have an arrangement to the problem for the benefit of our community.
Yours Sincerely,
Houcemeddine Turki
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*De :* Wikimedia-tn <wikimedia-tn-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org> de la
part de Wikimedia Tunisia <contact(a)wikimedia.tn>
*Envoyé :* mercredi 20 septembre 2017 21:39
*À :* wikimedia-tn(a)lists.wikimedia.org; Mounir Touzri
*Objet :* Re: [Wikimedia-tn] Reporting an issue from [Carthagina] -
WMTNUG Decision
Dear Mounir Touzri,
It was not easy for us to write this email but we had to do it for the
sake of keeping a healthy community and avoid harassment and disruptive
behavior within our group.
We have read your answer to the harassment and other accusations
reported by Emna Mizouni on behalf of some members of our community.
Even though there was something in our hearts trying to believe you or
maybe hoping for more arguments, your official reply (received after
more than two weeks from Habib’s email) was not convincing.
Unfortunately the collected evidences and the number of members that we
contacted and who confirmed the accusations, that were mentioned in the
incident received, add to that the official ban from our partner
Carthagina, brought us to take a hard decision and to take this case to
an upper level.
We do believe that all our members deserve a safe and harassment-free
working space in which they can contribute productively and debate
constructively.
As a wikimedian you must know that within our movement we preach for
certain code of conduct based on civility and respect and as founders of
this group it belongs to us to look after this and to not tolerate any
disruptive behavior.
With all the respect that we have for your valuable contributions to the
wikimedia projects and to the group activities, we, as co-founders of
the Wikimedia TN User Group, regret to inform you that based on
+ the Wikimedia Foundation's Community health initiative,
+ the Friendly space policy for Wikimedia Foundation events,
+ and our community code of conduct that the following decisions
have been discussed and approved to:
1- Withdraw your membership from the Wikimedia TN User Group and kindly
ask you to not organise any activity or project on behalf of the group,
2-Inform the Wikimedia Foundation about this decision,
3-Inform all the other Wikimedia affiliates (user groups, chapters etc.)
that you, no longer, represent the Wikimedia TN User Group in any
activity,
4-Handover any ongoing activity initiated on behalf of the group.
It saddens us to take this decision but we do believe that it’s the
right thing to help our community moving forward without any distraction
in order to fulfill our commitments.
Wikimedia TN User Group
Agreement signers
Habib Mhenni
Yamen Bousrih--
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ويكيمانيا هو مؤتمر سنوي لمستخدمي مشاريع الويكي التي تديرها مؤسسة
ويكيميديا، عقد حتى عام 2016 ...
Le 19/08/2017 à 22:45, Mounir Touzri a écrit :
أعضاء ويكيميديا تونس
أولا وقبل كل شيء أنا آسف لتأخير جوابي كما أشكر حبيب على الرد الرزين
و المتعقل،
هذه الرسالة خطيرة جدا و هنالك العديد من المغالطات،ثانيا سأجيب
فقط على الأسئلة التي طلبها مني حبيب ،
، كان هدفي دوما دعم مجتمع ويكيميديا تونس بكل الطرق لكن و
للأسف بعض الأعضاء لا يرغبون بي في المجموعة،
أولا بالنسبة للإهانةوالمضايقة انا لم أقم بذالك
ثانيا بالنسبة للأصوات نعم اقترحت على بعض الأعضاء دعم عضو
معين لحضور مؤتمر و لم افرض عليهم التصويت له ،فقط كان اقتراح و
هذا لكي يتمكن كل الاعضاء من المشاركة في مؤتمرات ويكيميديا
وتحفيز كل الأعضاء و كان كل الاعضاء متفقين في هذه النقطة بعد
الاتصال بهممع العلم العضو المقترح لم يشارك في أي مؤتمر سابق ، و
على
كل حال كل شخص حر في رأيه و كانوا قادرين
على التصويت لشخص آخر
او رفض التصويت مثل باقي الأعضاء
بالنسبة للمنح أولا يجب التذكير هنالك نوعان من المنح منح
شخصية و منح مع مجموعات انا لم أقم بتقديم طلب منحة باسم
ويكيميديا تونس بعد اجتماع سوسة و بالنسبة للمنحة الشخصية فهو
أمر شخصي بيني و بين مؤسسة ويكيميديا و لا علاقة له بالمجموعة ،
مع العلم تم ذكر هذا الموضوع في اجتماع سوسة، كل شخص يمكنه أن
يقدم
طلب منحة شخصية و يتحمل المسؤولية كاملة
مع مؤسسة ويكيميديا و
لا دخل للمجموعة بهذه المنحة، و هذا الأمر يقومون به في كل
الدول ،
بمناسبة المنح يجب القيام بمنحة سريعة أو إرجاع المبلغ المتبقي
للمؤسسة في خصوص المبلغ المتبقي من منحة اجتماع سوسة
أخيرا انا اسف على هذا الأمر و حز في نفسي بعد ثلاث سنوات
كعضو في المجموعة ان اجد نفسي في هذا الموقف ،
2017-08-14 16:11 GMT+01:00 Habib M'henni <habib.mhenni(a)gmail.com
<mailto:habib.mhenni@gmail.com <habib.mhenni(a)gmail.com>>>>>>:
Dear Mounir,
Can you please comment this issue?
By the end of this week (Sunday, August 20th) we will move to the
next step on discussions.
Cordially,
Habib Mhenni
On behalf of the Wikimedia TN User Group (legal final agreement
signer)
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*De :* Habib M'henni
<habib.mhenni(a)wikimedia.tn
<mailto:habib.mhenni@wikimedia.tn <habib.mhenni(a)wikimedia.tn>>>
*Envoyé :* 7 août 2017 14:24:10 GMT+01:00
*À :* Emna Mizouni <emna.mizouni(a)gmail.com
<mailto:emna.mizouni@gmail.com <emna.mizouni(a)gmail.com>>>>>>,
Wikimedia TN User Group Mailing
List <wikimedia-tn(a)lists.wikimedia.org
<mailto:wikimedia-tn@lists.wikimedia.org
<wikimedia-tn(a)lists.wikimedia.org>>>>>>, Yamen Bousrih
<bousrihyamen(a)yahoo.com
<mailto:bousrihyamen@yahoo.com
<bousrihyamen(a)yahoo.com>>>
*Objet :* Re: [Wikimedia-tn] Reporting an
issue from [Carthagina]
Dear Emna,
Thanks for sharing this report with our community. Carthagina and
it's members belong in our beliefs and concerns about sharing
knowledge and preserving our heritage. We are still pleased to
collaborate together to promote our activities in a safety way.
Dear Wikimedians of the *Wikimedia TN User Group* we (as Co-founder
of the group) are very sorry to hear such statements.
Mounir is a very active member and helped so much to achieve many
of
our programs.
Dear Mounir, I would hear about your comments upon this points:
1. Do you confirm any of these behaviours from the report?
2. If not, would you explain to our community what did really
happened, and I insist about
a- the *harassment* point ;
b- gossiping (vote issues) ;
c- asking grants without informing the community.
Dear members, please abstain from any comments until Mounir
replies.
I remind you that this ML is not restricted
(views).
Cordially,
Habib M'henni
Le 7 août 2017 11:51:48 GMT+01:00, Emna Mizouni
<emna.mizouni(a)gmail.com <mailto:emna.mizouni@gmail.com
<emna.mizouni(a)gmail.com>>> a écrit :
Dear co-founders of the group,
Dear Wikimedia TN User Group members,
I trust my email finds you all in good shape. I'm writing to
you
on my capacity as Carthagina current
President.
I’m addressing this email to the co-founders of the group as
the
legitimate co-chairs and to the community
as well because we
are
partners in several successful projects
(MedinaPedia, GLAM) and
contests (WLM, WLA,...). We strongly value this partnership and
we would like to maintain it for more joint work (the ongoing
GLAM project in the Diocesan Library, the upcoming photo
contests, the next MedinaPedia Dougga and Sfax,...).
I would like to report an issue between a member of this
community and some members of my team - Carthagina that has
gone
bigger than expected.
In Carthagina, we value people and we value our team's work and
of course our partners. Partner for once, partner forever. We,
as well, prioritise the diversity and homogeneity of the team.
Jamel Ben Saidane (a wikimedian and Human Resources Officer -
Carthagina) and I received a complaint from Afek Ben Chahed and
Zeineb Takouti, two members of Carthagina and active
Wikimedians. They reported several times the misbehaviour of
the
Wikimedian Mounir Touzri. The situation
kept escalating to the
point of insulting Zeineb and devaluing her work. Harassing
Afek
and trying to influence her to split
Carthagina and Wikimedia
TN
UG members. Afek reported as well that
Mounir has stolen one of
her ideas of Wiki University Clubs.
Side conversations took place containing gossiping, shouting on
the phone and depreciation toward these members. It became an
unhealthy environment to volunteer. It suddenly became a very
contagious atmosphere where my teammates felt frustrated and
affected in a way to have incidents within the core staff of
Carthagina (when Mounir started reaching out to Issam Barhoumi
and Samy Mlouhi).
/I would like to thank Habib and Yamen who called the members
to
motivate them in several occasions
showing a good model of
leadership./
But this is not all. The complaint that I would like to hand to
you as a Wikimedian, contains influencing voting. Several
members confirmed that Mounir contacted them privately to ask
them to vote for a specific person. The way that he acts as the
owner of the every new members faith; X person can go to attend
Y conference while Z person is not welcome to attend ...
May I remind you that this kind of behaviour made us lose one
of
the active and enthusiastic wikipedian
few year ago (I’m
talking
here about Wael Ghabara).
I would like to also highlight that myself as well as other
wikimedians, have concerns about the grants that Mounir is
receiving without letting us know. I recall our Wikimedia TN
meeting organised by Mounir himself in Sousse early March, when
we all agreed that all grant requests should be known by the
community and go through our unique fiscal sponsor CLibre.
From our side in Carthagina, for the first time in our history
we activated our policy and decided unanimously to ban
definitely Mounir Touzri from all our activities, projects and
venue. We declare him as a "Persona non grata". This decision
was taken based on our code of conduct and all our members,
observer-members and board of trustees voted for it. This is
the
hardest decision, we took in Carthagina,
especially that Mounir
was considered part of our community and that he helped us in
the WM-Carthagina events. But unfortunately, we cannot
allow/accept this kind of behaviour from someone who's supposed
to know our policy as well as the Wikimedia friendly space
policy.
The Carthagina meeting minutes would be shared with Yamen and
Habib and if you would like to hear more concerns from our team
about the Wikimedia related issues, my team and I are happy to
collaborate.
It saddens me to write this email but the situation needed an
action to stop the abuse from growing bigger than it is.
Sadly
Emna
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Affiliations Committee Member - Wikimedia Foundation
Founder & President of Carthagina
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