Bonjour,
Je viens d'ajouter mes commentaires relatifs aux bylaws Talk:Wikimedia
Tunisie/Bylaws/fr - Meta
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J'invite les autres membres d'en faire de même avant la fin du mois et je propose
de faire un call au cours de cette semaine pour discuter les commentaires et mettre à jour
la page.
MerciYamen
Le mardi 24 septembre 2019 à 23:14:38 UTC+2, yamen bousrih
<bousrihyamen(a)yahoo.com> a écrit :
Bonjour Houssem,
Merci pour ton email.Tout à fait d'accord avec toi par contre je propose de laisser la
date limite pour la fin du mois soit Lundi 30/09 (comme ça les membres ont un weekend de
plus).
D'accord pour les autres étapes.
MerciYamen
Le dimanche 22 septembre 2019 à 18:23:43 UTC+2, Abida Houssem
<abidahoussem8(a)gmail.com> a écrit :
Bonjour,
On se fixe un deadline pour que ceux et celles qui ont des remarques les ajoutent, et
après on met à jour le texte?Je propose vendredi prochain comme date limite?Après on peut
procéder à un vote, et ultérieurement lancer un appel à candidatures pour du comité qui se
chargera de l'organisation d'une première assemblé ou autre?Je propose comme date
pour une première assemblée générale le 20-21-22 Décembre 2019?
Houssem
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Le dim. 22 sept. 2019 à 17:45, Mourad Ben Abdallah <mourad.babdallah(a)gmail.com> a
écrit :
Bonjour Rachid,
Merci pour tes suggestions et réponses. J’ai passé le terme statut au singulier.
D’autres commentaires ? Si non, quel est la prochaine étape ?
Cordialement,Mourad
Le 21 sept. 2019 à 15:25, Rached Alaya <rached.alaya(a)gmail.com> a écrit :
Bonjour Mourad,
Permettez moi d'apporter quelques améliorations et réponses en répondant aux points 1
et 2 dans le corps de ton mail :
Le ven. 20 sept. 2019 à 07:02, Mourad Ben Abdallah <mourad.babdallah(a)gmail.com> a
écrit :
Hi everyone,
Thanks to Houcem and Houssem for their comments. Just a few thoughts for the group:
1) Stay high level as bylaws are setting rules and principles and not detailing each and
every action (ex. affiliation renewal process), the more detailed the bylaws the more
difficult it will be to manage the group.
J'ai ajouté une partie intitulé "Règlementation" pour traiter tout ce qui
n’est pas stipulé aux dispositions du statut (d'ailleurs pourquoi statuts (en pluriel)
et n'est statut :
https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/statut)
2) Is the payment of membership fees legal if the group is not formally an association?
Dans tous les cas il faut une entité qui est reconnue par la loi tunisienne : la meilleure
solution est que ce soit à tracvers une association : la future association de Wikimedia
UTN ou bien une autre dont vous vous mettez d'accord ..
3) Excluding a member only refers to the group as nothing prevents someone to participate
to Wikimedia projects as an independent user, under IP or a sockpuppet account.
4) For quotas, I think we should define an objective of equal representation but not
define true quotas. The risk in that last scenario is that you do not have the
"right" candidates which may prevent the group from functioning.
I am happy to help formalize any change the group decides to make to the draft if needed
or to share WMCH experience in any area.
Regards,
Mourad
AmicalementRached
Le 19 sept. 2019 à 23:40, hamed gamaoun <hamed.gamaoun(a)gmail.com> a écrit :
SoWho will be there at 18h to discuss the bylaws
Le jeu. 19 sept. 2019 à 21:15, sarhane hichri <shichri(a)gmail.com> a écrit :
Thanks Yamen,Inchallah, I’ll have the great pleasure to join you tomorrow :-)
Sarhane
Le 19 sept. 2019 à 20:17, Abida Houssem <abidahoussem8(a)gmail.com> a écrit :
Good evening,
Thanks Yamen for coordinating all this. I don't think I can make it before 8:00
tomorrow, but if everyone is participating, I can find a solution and come, even thought I
would love to have an online call so that all of us gather.
In the meanwhile, I invite everyone to check again the Bylaws draft that Habib and Mourad
wrote, and to add your remarks/ideas in the discussion page. So far, only 2 of us gave
feedback.
See you tomorrow. :D
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Le jeu. 19 sept. 2019 à 17:14, hamed gamaoun <hamed.gamaoun(a)gmail.com> a écrit :
Hello,
I will join you tomorrow hopefully after the social event, and i will like yo know who
will be going from downtown, so we can share a cab?
Best,
Le jeu. 19 sept. 2019 à 14:28, yamen bousrih via Wikimedia-tn
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Dear All,
We reach an agreement with Yuka to have the dinner there (they provided a better quote
than Dar Zarrouk).
The dinner is planned at 20:00 but I suggest to gather first at El Mouradi Hotel and go
from there.
I suggest also to meet before at the hotel (starting from 18:00) if we would to discuss
the bylaws shared previously.
ThanksYamen
Le mardi 17 septembre 2019 à 00:36:47 UTC+2, yamen bousrih
<bousrihyamen(a)yahoo.com> a écrit :
Hi,
I received a an answer (with a quote) from Yuka that it's possible to privatise a part
of the venue for us and serve a full-course dinner with one soft drink per person. I will
call Dar Zarrouk tomorrow to check their offer and if it's less expensive then Yuka
then I suggest to choose Dar Zarrouk.
PS: I'm not going to share the quote here as this ML is public but anyone who would
like to have the details I can send him the offer privately.
ThanksYamen
Le vendredi 13 septembre 2019 à 23:14:32 UTC+2, yamen bousrih
<bousrihyamen(a)yahoo.com> a écrit :
Thanks a lot Houssem for your emails.
I think Dar Zarrouk can be good choice whilst Dar Beyrem will be little bit difficult to
get there by night.Re the big roof-top terrace I think this can be the best solution if we
have members available to organize this event and find a catering service and be in charge
of all the logistic.
From my side I asked the people in charge of Yuka if
it's possible to privatize a place there and I'm waiting for their answer. If
it's possible to have a private place for us then I think it will be the best choice
otherwise I think it will be Dar Zarrouk (unless we have other suggestions).
@All
Members: those who didn't register yet to the event via the form that I share,
grateful to do that before Tuesday as we will have to draft the grant and we need to know
how many people will attend the diner.
ThanksYamen
Le mardi 10 septembre 2019 à 21:41:48 UTC+2, Abida Houssem
<abidahoussem8(a)gmail.com> a écrit :
I have another idea:
I know a very cool space with a big roof-top terrace with a view over Habib Bourguiba
Avenue. We can rent it and get a catering service that can satisfy all participants needs
(vegan, vegetarian, etc), bring all kind of drinks, and people can wear what ever they
want (maybe there are non binary people among the participants who won't feel
comfortable with public places).
Actually I was going to suggest this idea as one of the dinners for WikiConvention next
year, so it can be a good opportunity to test it next week.
What do you think?
Le mar. 10 sept. 2019 8:25 PM, Abida Houssem <abidahoussem8(a)gmail.com> a écrit :
Hi all,
Thanks Yamen for sharing this idea with us.
I suggest something more authentic such Dar Zarrouk in Sidi Bou Said or Dar Bayram in the
medina (very accessible, can host 50 people and I think alcohol is available as well).
Yet, such options require transportation.
The venues you mentionned are usually very crowded and not suitable for a discussion. I am
not sure also if they can privatize them for our gathering as it will be the week-end,
time most of people of Tunis go out after september. Yet, I am thinking maybe Yuka can
privatize its new roof top directed by Ali Mrabet? It has a weekly planning but it
doesn't seem that successful.. Not sure about that. Another reason to re-consider such
option is the weather changes that might oblige bar owners to close the outdoor zone and
keep everyone inside, something that will make it even more crowed and uncomfortable.
Tell me if there is a way I can help remotely, as I am not sure if I will have time to
participate.
Have a nice day all.
Houssem
Le lun. 9 sept. 2019 7:18 PM, yamen bousrih via Wikimedia-tn
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Dear Members,
We received an email from Nicole Ebber from the Movement Strategy Core Team to inform us
that they have chosen Tunis to hold on September 20-22 a "harmonization sprint"
where working group members come together to harmonize their groups' recommendations
to one coherent set of recommendations for structural changes in our movement.
Nicole suggested in her email to schedule a social activity on the 20th of September to
connect with our group during an evening of local food and culture.
The event will be organised by us and funded via a grant that we will submit to the
foundation once we assessed the budget related to this social event.
In order to be able to plan this event I would like to invite you to fill this forms as
soon as you can if you are interested to attend the event.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeqYSN2CWVHV6lHqnnQjJOeAEE2cufQof2…
We expect to have 50 people from Strategy Groups to attend this social event with us.
Also if you have suggestions where to have this social event and enjoy a good local food
and culture with our fellow wikimedians please don't hesitate to share your ideas.
The members of the strategy groups will be hosted in the Gammarth El Mouradi Hotel and
they don't have a bus to move far from there so if we are going to choose a place not
in the hotel area we need to think to hire a bus for them or ask the strategy group to do
that by their own.
I think that maybe it will be easy if we can plan something near to the hotel e.g. Bab
Bahr, Yuka, Jobi .... we can contact these places to privatise an area. Nevertheless if
you have other ideas please share them.
Also if someone from the group would like to take the lead to organise this event, please
raise your hand !
For the members that are not in Tunis, they are of course welcomed and we will make sure
to take into account the expenses related to their transportation to come to Tunis from
their Tunisian cities.
Final comment: since the event is in the evening (~ 20:00) maybe we (Tunisian members) can
gather before that to discuss the bylaws shared recently.
About the "harmonization sprint"
Several wikimedians from different countries and organisations will be present at this
event where they will try to harmonize their groups' recommendations to one coherent
set of recommendations.
We expect around ~40 people from the working group, the core team, the WMF and external
support to participate in that event so a total of around 60 people.
The event is invitation only thus the purpose to have a separate social event with our
group.
The Strategy Core Team considered several cities and they decide to hold this event in
Tunis as they kept very good souvenirs from WikiIndaba last year and this is an honor for
our country and our group.
Since some attendees need a visa, the organisers of the event asked CLibre to provide some
invitation letters which CLibre did promptly (Thanks CLibre!).
ThanksYamen
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