Le 21 sept. 2019 à 15:25, Rached Alaya <rached.alaya@gmail.com> a écrit :_______________________________________________Bonjour Mourad,Permettez moi d'apporter quelques améliorations et réponses en répondant aux points 1 et 2 dans le corps de ton mail :Le ven. 20 sept. 2019 à 07:02, Mourad Ben Abdallah <mourad.babdallah@gmail.com> a écrit :Hi everyone,Thanks to Houcem and Houssem for their comments. Just a few thoughts for the group:1) Stay high level as bylaws are setting rules and principles and not detailing each and every action (ex. affiliation renewal process), the more detailed the bylaws the more difficult it will be to manage the group.J'ai ajouté une partie intitulé "Règlementation" pour traiter tout ce qui n’est pas stipulé aux dispositions du statut (d'ailleurs pourquoi statuts (en pluriel) et n'est statut : https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/statut)2) Is the payment of membership fees legal if the group is not formally an association?Dans tous les cas il faut une entité qui est reconnue par la loi tunisienne : la meilleure solution est que ce soit à tracvers une association : la future association de Wikimedia UTN ou bien une autre dont vous vous mettez d'accord ..
3) Excluding a member only refers to the group as nothing prevents someone to participate to Wikimedia projects as an independent user, under IP or a sockpuppet account.4) For quotas, I think we should define an objective of equal representation but not define true quotas. The risk in that last scenario is that you do not have the "right" candidates which may prevent the group from functioning.I am happy to help formalize any change the group decides to make to the draft if needed or to share WMCH experience in any area.
Regards,MouradAmicalementRached_______________________________________________SoWho will be there at 18h to discuss the bylawsLe jeu. 19 sept. 2019 à 21:15, sarhane hichri <shichri@gmail.com> a écrit :Thanks Yamen,_______________________________________________Inchallah, I’ll have the great pleasure to join you tomorrow :-)
SarhaneGood evening,Thanks Yamen for coordinating all this. I don't think I can make it before 8:00 tomorrow, but if everyone is participating, I can find a solution and come, even thought I would love to have an online call so that all of us gather.In the meanwhile, I invite everyone to check again the Bylaws draft that Habib and Mourad wrote, and to add your remarks/ideas in the discussion page. So far, only 2 of us gave feedback.See you tomorrow. :DLe jeu. 19 sept. 2019 à 17:14, hamed gamaoun <hamed.gamaoun@gmail.com> a écrit :Hello,I will join you tomorrow hopefully after the social event, and i will like yo know who will be going from downtown, so we can share a cab?Best,_______________________________________________Le jeu. 19 sept. 2019 à 14:28, yamen bousrih via Wikimedia-tn <wikimedia-tn@lists.wikimedia.org> a écrit :_______________________________________________Dear All,We reach an agreement with Yuka to have the dinner there (they provided a better quote than Dar Zarrouk).The dinner is planned at 20:00 but I suggest to gather first at El Mouradi Hotel and go from there.I suggest also to meet before at the hotel (starting from 18:00) if we would to discuss the bylaws shared previously.ThanksYamenLe mardi 17 septembre 2019 à 00:36:47 UTC+2, yamen bousrih <bousrihyamen@yahoo.com> a écrit :Hi,I received a an answer (with a quote) from Yuka that it's possible to privatise a part of the venue for us and serve a full-course dinner with one soft drink per person. I will call Dar Zarrouk tomorrow to check their offer and if it's less expensive then Yuka then I suggest to choose Dar Zarrouk.PS: I'm not going to share the quote here as this ML is public but anyone who would like to have the details I can send him the offer privately.ThanksYamenLe vendredi 13 septembre 2019 à 23:14:32 UTC+2, yamen bousrih <bousrihyamen@yahoo.com> a écrit :Thanks a lot Houssem for your emails.I think Dar Zarrouk can be good choice whilst Dar Beyrem will be little bit difficult to get there by night.Re the big roof-top terrace I think this can be the best solution if we have members available to organize this event and find a catering service and be in charge of all the logistic.From my side I asked the people in charge of Yuka if it's possible to privatize a place there and I'm waiting for their answer. If it's possible to have a private place for us then I think it will be the best choice otherwise I think it will be Dar Zarrouk (unless we have other suggestions).@All Members: those who didn't register yet to the event via the form that I share, grateful to do that before Tuesday as we will have to draft the grant and we need to know how many people will attend the diner.ThanksYamenLe mardi 10 septembre 2019 à 21:41:48 UTC+2, Abida Houssem <abidahoussem8@gmail.com> a écrit :I have another idea:I know a very cool space with a big roof-top terrace with a view over Habib Bourguiba Avenue. We can rent it and get a catering service that can satisfy all participants needs (vegan, vegetarian, etc), bring all kind of drinks, and people can wear what ever they want (maybe there are non binary people among the participants who won't feel comfortable with public places).Actually I was going to suggest this idea as one of the dinners for WikiConvention next year, so it can be a good opportunity to test it next week.What do you think?Le mar. 10 sept. 2019 8:25 PM, Abida Houssem <abidahoussem8@gmail.com> a écrit :Hi all,Thanks Yamen for sharing this idea with us.I suggest something more authentic such Dar Zarrouk in Sidi Bou Said or Dar Bayram in the medina (very accessible, can host 50 people and I think alcohol is available as well). Yet, such options require transportation.The venues you mentionned are usually very crowded and not suitable for a discussion. I am not sure also if they can privatize them for our gathering as it will be the week-end, time most of people of Tunis go out after september. Yet, I am thinking maybe Yuka can privatize its new roof top directed by Ali Mrabet? It has a weekly planning but it doesn't seem that successful.. Not sure about that. Another reason to re-consider such option is the weather changes that might oblige bar owners to close the outdoor zone and keep everyone inside, something that will make it even more crowed and uncomfortable.Tell me if there is a way I can help remotely, as I am not sure if I will have time to participate.Have a nice day all.HoussemLe lun. 9 sept. 2019 7:18 PM, yamen bousrih via Wikimedia-tn <wikimedia-tn@lists.wikimedia.org> a écrit :_______________________________________________Dear Members,We received an email from Nicole Ebber from the Movement Strategy Core Team to inform us that they have chosen Tunis to hold onSeptember 20-22 a "harmonization sprint" where working group members come together to harmonize their groups' recommendations to one coherent set of recommendations for structural changes in our movement.Nicole suggested in her email to schedule a social activity on the 20th of September to connect with our group during an evening of local food and culture.The event will be organised by us and funded via a grant that we will submit to the foundation once we assessed the budget related to this social event.In order to be able to plan this event I would like to invite you to fill this forms as soon as you can if you are interested to attend the event.We expect to have 50 people from Strategy Groups to attend this social event with us.Also if you have suggestions where to have this social event and enjoy a good local food and culture with our fellow wikimedians please don't hesitate to share your ideas.The members of the strategy groups will be hosted in the Gammarth El Mouradi Hotel and they don't have a bus to move far from there so if we are going to choose a place not in the hotel area we need to think to hire a bus for them or ask the strategy group to do that by their own.I think that maybe it will be easy if we can plan something near to the hotel e.g. Bab Bahr, Yuka, Jobi .... we can contact these places to privatise an area. Nevertheless if you have other ideas please share them.Also if someone from the group would like to take the lead to organise this event, please raise your hand !For the members that are not in Tunis, they are of course welcomed and we will make sure to take into account the expenses related to their transportation to come to Tunis from their Tunisian cities.Final comment: since the event is in the evening (~ 20:00) maybe we (Tunisian members) can gather before that to discuss the bylaws shared recently.About the "harmonization sprint"Several wikimedians from different countries and organisations will be present at this event where they will try to harmonize their groups' recommendations to one coherent set of recommendations.We expect around ~40 people from the working group, the core team, the WMF and external support to participate in that event so a total of around 60 people.The event is invitation only thus the purpose to have a separate social event with our group.The Strategy Core Team considered several cities and they decide to hold this event in Tunis as they kept very good souvenirs from WikiIndaba last year and this is an honor for our country and our group.Since some attendees need a visa, the organisers of the event asked CLibre to provide some invitation letters which CLibre did promptly (Thanks CLibre!).ThanksYamen
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