Of possible interest - perspectives on use of en.woktionary & fr.wiktionary for vocabulary learning/review, with focus on African languages:
http://niamey.blogspot.com/2015/07/wiktionary-as-tool-for-african-language.h...
An idea buried in the text: Would it be possible to develop a kind of "flashcard" function based on "random page by language" where entry headwords for the chosen language would be generated without the definition(s)?
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The flashcard function idea is not essential, given the availability of superior free, open-source, multi-platform flashcard programs like Anki. But it might be a good tool for engaging folks.
There are Swadesh lists for many languages, which should be supplemented by more contemporary words and phrases.
It seems interesting and possibly grant-worthy. But finding the talent to persevere is non-trivial.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 12:50 PM, dzo@bisharat.net wrote:
Of possible interest - perspectives on use of en.woktionary & fr.wiktionary for vocabulary learning/review, with focus on African languages:
http://niamey.blogspot.com/2015/07/wiktionary-as-tool-for-african-language.h...
An idea buried in the text: Would it be possible to develop a kind of "flashcard" function based on "random page by language" where entry headwords for the chosen language would be generated without the definition(s)?
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I agree: there are excellent free-software flashcard programs out there, and no need to duplicate that functionality. This does suggest that convenient export functions (e.g. by category, by language) in formats expected by Anki etc. could enable a lot more use of Wiktionaries as sources for vocabulary study.
A.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Dennis During dcduring@gmail.com wrote:
The flashcard function idea is not essential, given the availability of superior free, open-source, multi-platform flashcard programs like Anki. But it might be a good tool for engaging folks.
There are Swadesh lists for many languages, which should be supplemented by more contemporary words and phrases.
It seems interesting and possibly grant-worthy. But finding the talent to persevere is non-trivial.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 12:50 PM, dzo@bisharat.net wrote:
Of possible interest - perspectives on use of en.woktionary & fr.wiktionary for vocabulary learning/review, with focus on African languages:
http://niamey.blogspot.com/2015/07/wiktionary-as-tool-for-african-language.h...
An idea buried in the text: Would it be possible to develop a kind of "flashcard" function based on "random page by language" where entry headwords for the chosen language would be generated without the definition(s)?
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Online flashcards would be useful for demonstrating the idea to those not familiar with some aspect of them. Directing users to the sources of software for their platforms would be in the interests of both users (better individualization, no need for connectivity) and MW (less server load).
The need is to overcome some of the barriers that the blog article identified to make the enterprise appear likely to succeed so that more folks can get involved and hep it succeed.
Priorities for achieving early successes are important.
1. Simple flashcards do not require the development of inflection templates, though inflection templates would be important milestones. 2. Core vocabulary is basic and may help recruit folks with the skills required to achieve more advanced objectives.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 11:40 PM, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
I agree: there are excellent free-software flashcard programs out there, and no need to duplicate that functionality. This does suggest that convenient export functions (e.g. by category, by language) in formats expected by Anki etc. could enable a lot more use of Wiktionaries as sources for vocabulary study.
A.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Dennis During dcduring@gmail.com wrote:
The flashcard function idea is not essential, given the availability of superior free, open-source, multi-platform flashcard programs like Anki. But it might be a good tool for engaging folks.
There are Swadesh lists for many languages, which should be supplemented
by
more contemporary words and phrases.
It seems interesting and possibly grant-worthy. But finding the talent
to
persevere is non-trivial.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 12:50 PM, dzo@bisharat.net wrote:
Of possible interest - perspectives on use of en.woktionary & fr.wiktionary for vocabulary learning/review, with focus on African languages:
http://niamey.blogspot.com/2015/07/wiktionary-as-tool-for-african-language.h...
An idea buried in the text: Would it be possible to develop a kind of "flashcard" function based on "random page by language" where entry headwords for the chosen language would be generated without the definition(s)?
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On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 6:50 PM, dzo@bisharat.net wrote:
An idea buried in the text: Would it be possible to develop a kind of "flashcard" function based on "random page by language" where entry headwords for the chosen language would be generated without the definition(s)?
This will become considerably easier once we have Wikidata support for Wiktionary. The latest proposal for how to do this is at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary/Development/Proposals/2015... and welcoming feedback.
Cheers Lydia
This will become considerably easier once we have Wikidata support for Wiktionary. The latest proposal for how to do this is at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary/Development/Proposals/2015... and welcoming feedback.
Easier for whom? Is there an ETA for that?
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Lydia Pintscher < lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 6:50 PM, dzo@bisharat.net wrote:
An idea buried in the text: Would it be possible to develop a kind of
"flashcard" function based on "random page by language" where entry headwords for the chosen language would be generated without the definition(s)?
This will become considerably easier once we have Wikidata support for Wiktionary. The latest proposal for how to do this is at
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary/Development/Proposals/2015... and welcoming feedback.
Cheers Lydia
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On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Dennis During dcduring@gmail.com wrote:
Easier for whom?
Since it'll be more machine-readable than it is now it'll be easier for a programmer to make use of the data to build a tool like you proposed or use it in an existing tool.
Is there an ETA for that?
No. It's quite some work but it's definitely something I want to make happen. It's unclear when we can start working on it.
Cheers Lydia
I'm getting old, so I may not be able to wait for the completion of a project that hasn't started. I guess I'm looking for something that can be demonstrated soon, for one class of vocabulary (language or technical jargon), before the year is out or sooner.
I will probably try to assemble content in an area like taxonomic plant names (families) or amino acids or something, see what the flashcard program Anki requires, and find someone at Wiktionary who can develop some easy interface for end-user downloads.
On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Lydia Pintscher < lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de> wrote:
On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Dennis During dcduring@gmail.com wrote:
Easier for whom?
Since it'll be more machine-readable than it is now it'll be easier for a programmer to make use of the data to build a tool like you proposed or use it in an existing tool.
Is there an ETA for that?
No. It's quite some work but it's definitely something I want to make happen. It's unclear when we can start working on it.
Cheers Lydia
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