On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Andrew Garrett <agarrett(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Jussi-Ville
This is very very meta. But in my own defence, I
anything for over a year. Mourning my dearly departed mother. I have
said before that monthly limits are prejudicial against those that
rarely post, but do post when the expletive hits the fan; and do so
with the full force of conviction they are expressing the views of the
community. Nuff said. Go ahead and moderate this, if you like.
It's all very well to say that you should be able to post as much as
you like when something you feel really passionate about comes up.
If you were to research the record, you would find I have posited
quite moderate views on the "issue" of filtering content, even being
quite doubtful I was in the right. I don't think it is an "issue" as such
to be passionate about wanting the wikimedia community to not
tear itself to shreds. I think it is just a fundamental matter, not
merely an "issue".
But if you can't get your point across in thirty posts over a month,
maybe it's time to stop trying.
I think people who think have got the point, but we still have to "whack the
mole" at trolls and endless griefers.
These discussions have gone in circles for a month
now, and it's the
same five or ten people (yes, I am again being rhetorical, please
don't bother checking that number) arguing past each other and posting
their entrenched positions again and again.
It isn't the number of posters that you have got wrong, though it may be
imprecise. We aren't talking about months here. This is a Perennnial
Proposal, that is an elephant graveyard for *years* not months.
There's no reason to think
that these loud people on foundation-l are
representative of the
community at large. There's no reason to think that any of them are
likely to change their minds. And, as I say, at this point, they've
probably made their arguments as well as they can. I don't think many
people are even reading the discussion any more.
On that regard, the numbers are pretty much out. Loudness here is largely
more representative, than a "referendum" that doesn't even ask the
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]