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Theodoranian
I had previously wrote an email suggesting we standardize the tag lines accompanying the logos at meta. The problem surfaced at EN Wikipedia when after six months of reading Wikisource The free library, the tag line was changed during the Main Page redesign. At the time I wrote I had thought the situation was cooled off. It seems that was premature. Things have flared up now at Template talk:WikipediaSister. Neither side is going to convince the other at this point. Truly how the projects are represented is a Foundation decision. This situation will not be resolved until the Foundation makes that decision, or declares who the decision should be delegated to.
Birgitte SB
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On 3/23/06, Birgitte Arco birgitte_sb@yahoo.com wrote:
I had previously wrote an email suggesting we standardize the tag lines accompanying the logos at meta. The problem surfaced at EN Wikipedia when after six months of reading Wikisource The free library, the tag line was changed during the Main Page redesign. At the time I wrote I had thought the situation was cooled off. It seems that was premature. Things have flared up now at Template talk:WikipediaSister. Neither side is going to convince the other at this point. Truly how the projects are represented is a Foundation decision. This situation will not be resolved until the Foundation makes that decision, or declares who the decision should be delegated to.
Birgitte SB
Hi Birgitte,
I don't see how the decision can be meaninfully made by anyone *but* the community themselves, ie in this case, Wikisource. But I don't know who would make this decision at the Foundation level, maybe the board, maybe Jimbo himself.
I don't want to re-ignite the debate, but I'll make my own comment. I followed the discussion more or less before and I've read the page you linked to. I liked the 'compromise' of "free-content library", but then I realised that all Wikimedia projects are free content. "The free library" is fine, and, bottom line, it's what Wikisource have already agreed on. If/when they agree on another, it'll be changed, as has already been said.
Cormac
--- Cormac Lawler cormaggio@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/23/06, Birgitte Arco birgitte_sb@yahoo.com wrote:
I had previously wrote an email suggesting we standardize the tag lines accompanying the logos
at
meta. The problem surfaced at EN Wikipedia when
after
six months of reading Wikisource The free library,
the
tag line was changed during the Main Page
redesign.
At the time I wrote I had thought the situation
was
cooled off. It seems that was premature. Things
have
flared up now at Template talk:WikipediaSister. Neither side is going to convince the other at
this
point. Truly how the projects are represented is
a
Foundation decision. This situation will not be resolved until the Foundation makes that decision,
or
declares who the decision should be delegated to.
Birgitte SB
Hi Birgitte,
I don't see how the decision can be meaninfully made by anyone *but* the community themselves, ie in this case, Wikisource. But I don't know who would make this decision at the Foundation level, maybe the board, maybe Jimbo himself.
I don't want to re-ignite the debate, but I'll make my own comment. I followed the discussion more or less before and I've read the page you linked to. I liked the 'compromise' of "free-content library", but then I realised that all Wikimedia projects are free content. "The free library" is fine, and, bottom line, it's what Wikisource have already agreed on. If/when they agree on another, it'll be changed, as has already been said.
Cormac
I am not sure how it the decision would come about either. Of course I agree with your assement of the situation, but others don't. Until one side or the other hears something authoritative I am afraid this will be unsettled.
Birgitte SB
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It seems to me that there is a basic question that needs to be answered: Who picks the slogan?
If the answer is "The Board" (or more generally, the Foundation, such that it could be delegated to one of the committees), then the Board or other appropriate foundation source needs to say "the official slogan is...", and the projects need to understand that they don't have the opportunity to change it. Some things are changeable, like the colors on the mainpage, others are not, particularly those that are integral to our public image, like the logo and the slogans.
If the answer is "The Community", first, the follow up, "Which community?". If it is the case that each project community picks it's own slogan, then that needs to be enforced. (That is, if Wikisource is responsible for picking the Wikisource slogan, then whatever they pick needs to be enforced.) If every project is allowed to pick whatever slogans it likes to use for the other projects, then I'm changing the main page of Wikiquote to reference Wikipedia as "the open-content, editable encyclopedia that gets vandalized a lot" and blocking any Wikipedia editor who disagrees. </WP:POINT>
Common sense says that a slogan is something that must be consistent; we need a firm ruling from somewhere on high that this is either something to be decided by the Board/Committees, and if so, what their decision is, or something to be decided by the individual project, with an accompanying order to use the slogan Wikisource has adopted for itself.
What we cannot have is every project using a different slogan for the other projects, or edit wars/wheel wars over which should be which. A round of applause to Birgitte for refusing to let it become an edit war (both by refusing to engage in it herself, and for encouraging others from Wikisource to let the Foundation decide).
Essjay
On 3/23/06, Birgitte Arco birgitte_sb@yahoo.com wrote:
--- Cormac Lawler cormaggio@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/23/06, Birgitte Arco birgitte_sb@yahoo.com wrote:
I had previously wrote an email suggesting we standardize the tag lines accompanying the logos
at
meta. The problem surfaced at EN Wikipedia when
after
six months of reading Wikisource The free library,
the
tag line was changed during the Main Page
redesign.
At the time I wrote I had thought the situation
was
cooled off. It seems that was premature. Things
have
flared up now at Template talk:WikipediaSister. Neither side is going to convince the other at
this
point. Truly how the projects are represented is
a
Foundation decision. This situation will not be resolved until the Foundation makes that decision,
or
declares who the decision should be delegated to.
Birgitte SB
Hi Birgitte,
I don't see how the decision can be meaninfully made by anyone *but* the community themselves, ie in this case, Wikisource. But I don't know who would make this decision at the Foundation level, maybe the board, maybe Jimbo himself.
I don't want to re-ignite the debate, but I'll make my own comment. I followed the discussion more or less before and I've read the page you linked to. I liked the 'compromise' of "free-content library", but then I realised that all Wikimedia projects are free content. "The free library" is fine, and, bottom line, it's what Wikisource have already agreed on. If/when they agree on another, it'll be changed, as has already been said.
Cormac
I am not sure how it the decision would come about either. Of course I agree with your assement of the situation, but others don't. Until one side or the other hears something authoritative I am afraid this will be unsettled.
Birgitte SB
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What we cannot have is every project using a different slogan for the other projects, or edit wars/wheel wars over which should be which. A round of applause to Birgitte for refusing to let it become an edit war (both by refusing to engage in it herself, and for encouraging others from Wikisource to let the Foundation decide).
Essjay
Thank you Essjay. However much tempers got heated, I don't believe anyone involved would have entered an edit war even if the template hadn't been protected.
Birgitte SB
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