Hoi, When it is horrid to state that something is wrong at the bases ie meaning that this cannot be said, then indeed it is horrid. I doubt also very much that there is any effective control over the #wikipedia-* channels. If it is to asserted it in the same way as it was done with the #wikipedia channel it will not create the same uproar, it will be much worse.
When there is indeed jurisdiction over multiple channels, it is because of these channels being Wikimedia Foundation related. Not more not less.
Thanks, GerardM
On 7/30/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023@comcast.net wrote:
First, what a horrid thing to say. Second, by Wikipedia-affiliated he meant the #wikipedia-* channels on IRC. That is where Mark's jurisdiction is, and that is what the guidelines are for. I do not see what the problem with his statement was.
Casey Brown Cbrown1023
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of GerardM Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:44 PM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Cc: wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; English Wikipedia Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] #wikipedia IRC channel guidelines review
Mark, There are Wikimedia affiliated IRC channels on Freenode. Thanks for getting even the basics wrong. Thanks, GerardM
On 7/30/07, Mark Ryan ultrablue@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone.
As a few of you may know, about 5 weeks ago some new guidelines were put into place on meta for the IRC channel #wikipedia. At the same time, the operator access list for the channel was emptied and started from scratch.
The changes were quite unpopular, to say the least. A discussion thread was started about them on the foundation-l mailing list, but probably should have been started on wikipedia-l.
Now that I am back from my holiday, I have opened a review discussion about the guidelines on their talk page on meta, which you can access at the follow URL:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:IRC_guidelines/wikipedia
I would very much appreciate the input there of all people who have an interest in the guidelines, and indeed any users of the Wikipedia-affiliated IRC channels on Freenode.
~Mark Ryan
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You know, like many people, I type "wikipedia" automatically - since that's the website I go to most often, but I have to stop and think Wikimedia. It's not a lack of knowledge, or of sensitivity, it's muscle memory.
I made that mistake a couple times during the recent election, and Aphaia gently and with great humour corrected me, while pointing out the mistake. I only did it once or twice and then I really did slow down and think about what I typed.
I think I like Aphaia's method better than Gerard's scolding. Seems much less extreme to me.
philippe
----- Original Message ----- From: GerardM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] #wikipedia IRC channel guidelines review
Hoi, When it is horrid to state that something is wrong at the bases ie meaning that this cannot be said, then indeed it is horrid. I doubt also very much that there is any effective control over the #wikipedia-* channels. If it is to asserted it in the same way as it was done with the #wikipedia channel it will not create the same uproar, it will be much worse.
When there is indeed jurisdiction over multiple channels, it is because of these channels being Wikimedia Foundation related. Not more not less.
Thanks, GerardM
On 7/30/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023@comcast.net wrote:
First, what a horrid thing to say. Second, by Wikipedia-affiliated he meant the #wikipedia-* channels on IRC. That is where Mark's jurisdiction is, and that is what the guidelines are for. I do not see what the problem with his statement was.
Casey Brown Cbrown1023
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of GerardM Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:44 PM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Cc: wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; English Wikipedia Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] #wikipedia IRC channel guidelines review
Mark, There are Wikimedia affiliated IRC channels on Freenode. Thanks for getting even the basics wrong. Thanks, GerardM
On 7/30/07, Mark Ryan ultrablue@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone.
As a few of you may know, about 5 weeks ago some new guidelines were put into place on meta for the IRC channel #wikipedia. At the same time, the operator access list for the channel was emptied and started from scratch.
The changes were quite unpopular, to say the least. A discussion thread was started about them on the foundation-l mailing list, but probably should have been started on wikipedia-l.
Now that I am back from my holiday, I have opened a review discussion about the guidelines on their talk page on meta, which you can access at the follow URL:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:IRC_guidelines/wikipedia
I would very much appreciate the input there of all people who have an interest in the guidelines, and indeed any users of the Wikipedia-affiliated IRC channels on Freenode.
~Mark Ryan
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All,
In my tiredness, I misread a previous email, and answered it in error. I withdraw this entire mail and apologize to Gerard for my entirely out of line scolding of him. I misread, and answered what I thought I read, rather than what the conversation was apart.
My apologies.
philippe ----- Original Message ----- From: Philippe Beaudette To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] #wikipedia IRC channel guidelines review
You know, like many people, I type "wikipedia" automatically - since that's the website I go to most often, but I have to stop and think Wikimedia. It's not a lack of knowledge, or of sensitivity, it's muscle memory.
I made that mistake a couple times during the recent election, and Aphaia gently and with great humour corrected me, while pointing out the mistake. I only did it once or twice and then I really did slow down and think about what I typed.
I think I like Aphaia's method better than Gerard's scolding. Seems much less extreme to me.
philippe
----- Original Message ----- From: GerardM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] #wikipedia IRC channel guidelines review
Hoi, When it is horrid to state that something is wrong at the bases ie meaning that this cannot be said, then indeed it is horrid. I doubt also very much that there is any effective control over the #wikipedia-* channels. If it is to asserted it in the same way as it was done with the #wikipedia channel it will not create the same uproar, it will be much worse.
When there is indeed jurisdiction over multiple channels, it is because of these channels being Wikimedia Foundation related. Not more not less.
Thanks, GerardM
On 7/30/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023@comcast.net wrote: > > First, what a horrid thing to say. Second, by Wikipedia-affiliated he > meant > the #wikipedia-* channels on IRC. That is where Mark's jurisdiction is, > and > that is what the guidelines are for. I do not see what the problem with > his > statement was. > > Casey Brown > Cbrown1023 > > -----Original Message----- > From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org > [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of GerardM > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:44 PM > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > Cc: wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; English Wikipedia > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] #wikipedia IRC channel guidelines review > > Mark, > There are Wikimedia affiliated IRC channels on Freenode. > Thanks for getting even the basics wrong. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 7/30/07, Mark Ryan ultrablue@gmail.com wrote: > > > > Hello everyone. > > > > As a few of you may know, about 5 weeks ago some new guidelines were > > put into place on meta for the IRC channel #wikipedia. At the same > > time, the operator access list for the channel was emptied and started > > from scratch. > > > > The changes were quite unpopular, to say the least. A discussion > > thread was started about them on the foundation-l mailing list, but > > probably should have been started on wikipedia-l. > > > > Now that I am back from my holiday, I have opened a review discussion > > about the guidelines on their talk page on meta, which you can access > > at the follow URL: > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:IRC_guidelines/wikipedia > > > > I would very much appreciate the input there of all people who have an > > interest in the guidelines, and indeed any users of the > > Wikipedia-affiliated IRC channels on Freenode. > > > > ~Mark Ryan > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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