Just as with politics, there are many actual positions hidden behind people's ostensible positions. At the moment, we have a position where "yes, but only when we are happy", or even "yes, real soon now" actually mean "never". The key here is _breaking the deadlock_ of _indefinite_ opposition to other Chinese language Wikipedias, by making supporters on both sides commit in advance to a value of N, and automatically triggering the change in policy when N is reached. Making people make _objective_ choices always clarifies their positions.