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Ted Chien

28 May 2013 28 May '13

1:43 p.m.

My dear colleagues, Recently on May 21 the Taiwan Intellectual Property Office has announced that they will amend the Copyright Act to demand local ISPs to block illegal contents on foreign websites, just like the SOPA bill in USA last year. For more information, you can read the following news reports: Focus Taiwan: http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aall/201305210035.aspx ZDNet: http://www.zdnet.com/cn/taiwans-copyright-act-amendment-proposal-comes-unde… Now there are many Taiwan netizens protesting the bill: http://globalvoicesonline.org/2013/05/26/netizens-fear-copyright-amendment-… But today we just see an news that TIPO just ignored these protests and insist that this bill will not harm the net freedom and rights of general users: http://newtalk.tw/news/2013/05/28/36854.html (it's in Chinese, you may use Google translate to read the news.) Indeed we should protect the copyright, but to ask ISPs to block websites is too over-reaction. We Wikimedia Taiwan is now against the bill and has just released an Chinese announcement on our official website to explain why we against the bill and ask the government to stop the act: http://bit.ly/ZbvTX0 We also started an discussion on zh.wp to ask the community if we could put the announcement as an global site notice, we even think about blackout zh.wp for 24 hours (the date is still in discussion): http://goo.gl/fXi8g This is because according to Alexa.com (http://Alexa.com), Wikipedia is now the top 10 website in Taiwan. To blackout Wikipedia in Taiwan should get the attention of TIPO and has some effects. My questions are: * Could we ask for blackout Wikipedia (not just zh.wp) ONLY for Taiwan IP? (Some users from China hope this blackout will not effect them) * If we could not blackout Wikipedia only for Taiwan IP, could we ask to blackout zh.wp? (from what we have discussed on zh.wp, the Chinese community has agreed on such blackout, but the date is still on discussion) * If we could implement such blackout, how soon it can be done? * What suggestions from you that we should do as an local Chapter? Thanks and Regards, Ted Chien Chairman Wikimedia Taiwan -- Blog: htttp://htchien.tw (http://htchien.tw/) Facebook: http://facebook.com/htchien Twitter: http://twitter.com/htchien LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/htchien

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Benjamin Chen

28 May 28 May

2:02 p.m.

On 28 May, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Ted Chien <hsiangtai.chien(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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(from what we have discussed on zh.wp, the Chinese community has agreed on such blackout, but the date is still on discussion)

For the record, I doubt if there is clear support/strong participation in the discussion. It is still to early to call it a consensus.

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If we could implement such blackout, how soon it can be done?

(Speaking as a not-very-tech-savvy person) Depends on what exactly the community want to do. If we make use of CentralNotice's geo-targeting, it is very easy to implement a Taiwan-only blackout/site-notice/redirect-to-specific page etc. This involves no server side configuration change, volunteers will be able to get this done. The time consuming part is to write the banner and it's javascript, but that shouldn't take longer than a day of there is people willing to help. Regards, Benjamin Chen / [[User:Bencmq]]

Ted Chien

3:32 p.m.

Hi Benjamin, Thanks for the reply. 2013/5/28 下午10:02 於 "Benjamin Chen" <bencmqwiki(a)gmail.com> 寫道：

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On 28 May, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Ted Chien <hsiangtai.chien(a)gmail.com> wrote: > (from what we have discussed on zh.wp, the Chinese > community has agreed on such blackout, but the date is still on

discussion)

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For the record, I doubt if there is clear support/strong participation in

the discussion. It is still to early to call it a consensus. The discussion is still going on, and I can see people supporting our action. Surely there will be some doubts, and we will be happy to answer them and welcome them to join us.

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If we could implement such blackout, how soon it can be done?

(Speaking as a not-very-tech-savvy person) Depends on what exactly the

community want to do. If we make use of CentralNotice's geo-targeting, it is very easy to implement a Taiwan-only blackout/site-notice/redirect-to-specific page etc. This involves no server side configuration change, volunteers will be able to get this done. The time consuming part is to write the banner and it's javascript, but that shouldn't take longer than a day of there is people willing to help. As I previously point out in my first question: can it be geo-targeting? If it can, then I can agree that it would be easier. If it cannot, then properly we would need help from the foundation.

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Regards, Benjamin Chen / [[User:Bencmq]] _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Benjamin Chen

3:37 p.m.

On 28 May, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Ted Chien <hsiangtai.chien(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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As I previously point out in my first question: can it be geo-targeting?

With CentralNotice, yes you can make it target Taiwan users only. Regards, Benjamin Chen / [[User:Bencmq]]

Ted Chien

4:45 p.m.

On 2013年5月28日Tuesday at 下午11:37, Benjamin Chen wrote:

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On 28 May, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Ted Chien <hsiangtai.chien(a)gmail.com (mailto:hsiangtai.chien@gmail.com)> wrote:

As I previously point out in my first question: can it be geo-targeting?

With CentralNotice, yes you can make it target Taiwan users only.

But to blackout Wikipedia would gain better media reactions, and people will know what the internet would like if the SOPA bill is been passed in Taiwan. Also, last year the SOPA issue was in USA, why we can blackout the whole en.wp and you think this time we don't have to blackout zh.wp just because it's only in Taiwan? For the record, I just read the news that Taipei City Information Office decided to put the block to its own free public WiFi service in a month from now, long before the TIPO amend the Copyright Act of Taiwan. The Taipei Free WiFi service has 200M+ users and has 300M+ visitors each month. News - Taipei City Government would follow TIPO to block websites within a Month (in Chinese): http://www.ettoday.net/news/20130528/213815.htm Regards, Ted

Benjamin Chen

4:48 p.m.

Don't get me wrong. CentralNotice can be used to block the entire page. It was used for the SOPA blackout. :) Regards, Benjamin Chen / [[User:Bencmq]] On 29 May, 2013, at 12:45 AM, Ted Chien <hsiangtai.chien(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 2013年5月28日Tuesday at 下午11:37, Benjamin Chen wrote:

On 28 May, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Ted Chien <hsiangtai.chien(a)gmail.com (mailto:hsiangtai.chien@gmail.com)> wrote:

As I previously point out in my first question: can it be geo-targeting?

With CentralNotice, yes you can make it target Taiwan users only.

Ted Chien

5:18 p.m.

Thanks for the explanation, I just saw your comment on zh.wp. Regards, Ted Chien -- Sent from my HTC One 2013/5/29 上午12:48 於 "Benjamin Chen" <bencmqwiki(a)gmail.com> 寫道：

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On 2013年5月28日Tuesday at 下午11:37, Benjamin Chen wrote: > > On 28 May, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Ted Chien <hsiangtai.chien(a)gmail.com(mailtolto:

hsiangtai.chien(a)gmail.com)> wrote:

> >> As I previously point out in my first question: can it be

geo-targeting?

With CentralNotice, yes you can make it target Taiwan users only.

But to blackout Wikipedia would gain better media reactions, and people

will know what the internet would like if the SOPA bill is been passed in Taiwan. Also, last year the SOPA issue was in USA, why we can blackout the whole en.wp and you think this time we don't have to blackout zh.wp just because it's only in Taiwan?

For the record, I just read the news that Taipei City Information Office

decided to put the block to its own free public WiFi service in a month from now, long before the TIPO amend the Copyright Act of Taiwan. The Taipei Free WiFi service has 200M+ users and has 300M+ visitors each month.

News - Taipei City Government would follow TIPO to block websites within

a Month (in Chinese):

http://www.ettoday.net/news/20130528/213815.htm Regards, Ted _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

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Tilman Bayer

3 Jun 3 Jun

10:42 p.m.

The EFF reports that this announcement by Taiwanese Wikimedians does appear to have had an effect: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/taiwanese-users-thwart-government-pla… "Taiwanese users were going to stage an Internet black out on Tuesday June 4th. Several websites, including Wikipedia Taiwan and Mozilla Taiwan pledged to go dark in order to raise awareness. ... After several news outlets reported that the new initiative was akin to mainland China’s “Great Firewall,” the Taiwanese intellectual property office made an effort to reject the comparison ... In the face of these criticisms and the planned blackout, the Taiwan Intellectual Property Office abandoned this severe copyright law." On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Ted Chien <hsiangtai.chien(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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-- Tilman Bayer Senior Operations Analyst (Movement Communications) Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB

Deryck Chan

4 Jun 4 Jun

7:41 a.m.

So will there be a Wikipedia blackout? PS. June 4 is the perfect date for such protests :) On 3 June 2013 23:42, Tilman Bayer <tbayer(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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http://www.zdnet.com/cn/taiwans-copyright-act-amendment-proposal-comes-unde…

Now there are many Taiwan netizens protesting the bill:

But today we just see an news that TIPO just ignored these protests and insist that this bill will not harm the net freedom and rights of general users: http://newtalk.tw/news/2013/05/28/36854.html (it's in Chinese, you may

use

Google translate to read the news.) Indeed we should protect the copyright, but to ask ISPs to block websites is too over-reaction. We Wikimedia Taiwan is now against the bill and has just released an Chinese announcement on our official website to explain why we against

the

bill and ask the government to stop the act: http://bit.ly/ZbvTX0 We also started an discussion on zh.wp to ask the community if we could

put

the announcement as an global site notice, we even think about blackout zh.wp for 24 hours (the date is still in discussion): http://goo.gl/fXi8g This is because according to Alexa.com (http://Alexa.com), Wikipedia is

now

the top 10 website in Taiwan. To blackout Wikipedia in Taiwan should get the attention of TIPO and has some effects. My questions are: * Could we ask for blackout Wikipedia (not just zh.wp) ONLY for Taiwan

IP?

(Some users from China hope this blackout will not effect them) * If we could not blackout Wikipedia only for Taiwan IP, could we ask to blackout zh.wp? (from what we have discussed on zh.wp, the Chinese community has agreed on such blackout, but the date is still on

discussion)

* If we could implement such blackout, how soon it can be done? * What suggestions from you that we should do as an local Chapter? Thanks and Regards, Ted Chien Chairman Wikimedia Taiwan -- Blog: htttp://htchien.tw (http://htchien.tw/) Facebook: http://facebook.com/htchien Twitter: http://twitter.com/htchien LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/htchien _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

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