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Datum: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:13:18 -0500
Von: Anthony <wikilegal(a)inbox.org>
I'd love to see Google torn down and replaced with
an open source
collaborative search engine run democratically by the world. I'd love
to have access to a search engine as good as Google, with a truly open
API (i.e. sans http://code.google.com/apis/soapsearch/api_terms.html
and with all the results being released under an open content license.
Is Wikimedia the one to do that? It's arguable whether it'd be
within the scope of the Foundation's mission. And in any case, I
haven't seen a reasonable proposal of how to do it. So I guess when
it comes to that point, we're both in agreement. And yeah. Google
did good. Google does good. But Google did bad, too. Google does
bad, too. And Microsoft also did/does good/bad.
Who is in defence of Google? Wikifoundation?
The problem is, Jimmy is one of the founders of wikipedia, has nothing to do with
wikiseek; and wikiasari is a concept supported by a lot of people.
But: If wikifoundation makes a peerpedia-search, this means that there are several
conflicts. Is wikiasari more in solidarity to wikiseek, because they both are for-profit
ads-projects? or more in solidarity to peerpedia, to support the core competencies of the
Wikifoundation need the courage, to steal Jimmies Idea to make it (a search project)
really open with p2p and without ads.
Ok, this is not about one person and I do not want to annoy anyone, so let´s talk about
the peerpedia project of the foundation here on this list. Wikiasari is a different
project on a different list.
This simple sentence, said by Jim originally, means foe the rest of the foundation
members, to have the courage, to first develop a similar project and split the
development. This must be the rest of the foundation board members aware of. Acting like
wikiseek and play a card against the wikisariproject. And this card here was suggested as
a peerpedia-search, which means (as the url was announced with a concept) to set up
servers to index the web p2p.
(Or: Jim has to be asked, if he is agreeing to make wikiasari a kind of a peerpedia
project and if we are pulling the same goals. He still has not announced, if nutch or yacy
is on the three servers and/or if there is a cooperation with the foundation, last I guess
not, but if this is clear, this means we need couraged people to do the same from the
foundation side but only p2p with the community).
I wonder, why the members here on the list doubt the core cometencies or Mission of the
foundation, if the peerpedia-search project is in accordance.
Here is the mission again:
you see, several stars fit the project and social software is nutch not at all, it is
yacy, this is why I recomment to ask Jim to join the peerpedia idea with his large
knowledge and history experience.
We could wook out a proposal (which jim announced the day before his disney journey on
anotehr list, but still has not published) together, here is the peerpedia
"blanket" for this:
The general purpose and objectives of the Foundation shall be the following:
Wikimedia Foundation is dedicated to the development and maintenance of online *free*,
*open content* encyclopedias, collections of quotations, textbooks *and other collections
of documents*, *information*, and other informational *databases* in *all* the languages
of the world that will be distributed free of charge to the public under a free
documentation license such as the Free Documentation License written by the Free Software
Foundation Inc. at http://www.fsf.org
or similar licensing scheme, see
The goals of the foundation are to *encourage* the further growth and development of *open
content*, *****social software**** WikiWiki-based projects (see
) and to provide the full contents of those projects to
the public free of charge. In addition to managing the already developed multilingual
general encyclopedia and almanac named Wikipedia, (http://www.wikipedia.org
) there is a
multi-language dictionary and thesaurus named Wiktionary, an encyclopedia of quotations
named Wikiquote, a collection of e-book resources aimed specifically toward students (such
as textbooks and annotated public domain books) named Wikibooks and a collection of source
works called Wikisource; other projects are envisioned like **peerpedia** - the open
source search-engine yacy.net
community in a p2p style. The Foundation also manages the
operations of the largely dormant Nupedia project (which is not a wiki but is open
BTW: we discuss here only in a free brainstorming, and indeed the leader of foundation and
the leader of wikia should meet at a round tabel and discuss, if a collaboration is
possible, and if the foundation is behind the p2p idea, which several times was stated as
the only way to have 1 Mio google servers in defence. If both leaders or the board does
not agree, the question is open, if the foundation is willing to start and found a
yacy-wikipedia-indexing serverfarm project with several servers.
Ok, let´s say each year we add 2 servers. Is this too much?
has done this in one weel with 7 servers.
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